www.giantsrl.com/news/article/53 ... -be-better Well all the usual's are rolled out, down on troops the boys were running on empty etc etc. Cas were the better side yes we all saw that !! Lack of organisation, lack of aggression, lack of leadership and a clueless coach would be more accurate !!

www.giantsrl.com/news/article/53 ... -be-better Well all the usual's are rolled out, down on troops the boys were running on empty etc etc. Cas were the better side yes we all saw that !! Lack of organisation, lack of aggression, lack of leadership and a clueless coach would be more accurate !!

And 27 tackles missed to cas's 4 missed.

All individual errors so nothing to worry about ?

Definitely think he has a point with the 5 day turnaround compared to our 8 day. Doesn't help 1 bit for a team who have suffered with injuries this year. An extra 2 days and brough may play?

re Fartown since 1961 post; Was our coach clueless when we won the Shield, oh and we were in the top 4 for three seasons or has he just become clueless this season? Just asking!

I keep pointing out that in the last time seasons we have finished under Anderson
1st
3rd
4th
11th ?

In no way shape or form are we getting better.

In no way shape or form are we standing still

WE ARE GETTING WORSE.


LOOK AT THE CORRELATION WITH AVERAGE ATTENDANCES.

When we won the shield he had inherited a squad and style of play from Nathan Brown having been his assistant that worked and he had barely tinkered with it until the start of this season.

He made major changes to the style of play and fitness team and methods at the start of this season which have failed unless you think 4 wins from 17 is success ??

So to answer your question in non throwaway manner - for three seasons he recognised we had a methodology that worked but but came up short of the 'big prize.'

He believed he had a new methodology that would win trophies and push us to the next level. He implemented it and it has failed as Head Coach he shoulders the responsibility for that failure as you are only as good as the season you are in or are we still going to be pointing to the Shield for the next ten years??

As in any business you have to achieve targets, goals and KPI's I would suggest he is failing or failed.

Unfortunately his blunt and forthright speaking manner works when you are always winning but doesn't look so good when you are always losing.

His team selection and rotation last night and at Widnes where he made one change in a brutal 40 minutes and left Brierley on the bench and Wood at stand off when he is a better back up hooker appeared 'clueless.' On that I won't soften my comment !!

So what would you say are feasible reasons for our reaching the lofty heights of nearly being there, and also for the dramatic collapse to our present position.

There has to be reasons for it, Myself I was never as carried away with the style of play we showed in our seasons of limited success, We seemed to me much as we always are , Some decent games, an odd super game here and there, and a lot of miserable stuff.

Still wins are all that matter to some, as they freely admit, but that is another story.

What would you say has gone wrong for PA to change things from a winning side to a losing one. I have no inside info like some people seem to have, but internal upset ( as it has been hinted ) could well be a major factor.

Most people start to trot out all the old stuff about injuries , bad Ref's, bad luck, even worse supporters, all the stuff that every other team suffers from just like we do, but there has to be more to it than that.

The exact same thing has happened at Leeds, and they have fallen from a far greater height than we have, Granted the players they lost all at once may have had a bigger effect that the two we lost, but I don't personally believe the loss of a couple of players should really drag a team from top to very bottom.

One of the most feasible reasons I have heard , is that Sinfield was far more important and influential on the team than B Mac, which would seem to contradict my thoughts, and it crossed my mind that if there is a rift between PA and D Brough ( as I have seen suggested ) that could account for some of it, I'm not saying there is a problem with them ( as I said, I have no inside info ) but there are one or two things happening that make you think there could be.

The strong rumors that Brough is set to leave ( that just wont go away ) the signing of Brierley for no apparent reason ( replacement for DB ? ) Probably just me putting 2+2 and getting 5.

My self I just think That PA is not good enough as a S league coach ( just my opinion ) I think when N Brown was here he improved some of our players to a massive extent before everything went Pear shaped , I think PA has lived on that to a big degree, A lot of our wins in these glory season were based far more on individual players performing really well than the team playing a style of game that was blowing teams away, Didn't we have 5/6 internationals then.

For me they all started to go backwards after PA took over, I wont list them all but Cudjo was a perfect example, he went badly backwards for quite some time, Happily he regained his form , starting in the games after the split last season and by and large has kept it going which has also had a very beneficial effect on McGilvrey's game.

Those are my thoughts by and large, I would be interested to hear what you think has gone so badly wrong .

missed our chance for silverware in those years i feel



the new league structure might make it harder for us to compete with the big spenders now though...

leeds are getting worse too

leeds may come in for grix to replace hardaker???

ferres and mullally done a great job for us

Completely agree with this, as i have said previously, no other club with an average finish in the top 4 during those years has come up with nothing but the shield as silverware. Sadly we have had the wrong man in charge for the period during which we were capable of winning things, and now it appears it is too late. Brough is past his best, and he was the game changer, and overall the squad is weaker than it was during that period. WE have been hampered by our history and lack of ambition. For far too many people the shield was enough because of our desperate days in the 80's and 90's (i started watching when Murphy took over and have seen our gradual improvement from the very bottom up).

I hope that whoever is chosen as the next coach (and please let it be soon) is an attempt to really shake things up and not just another british mediocre coach who rolls out tropish comments at the end of each match and who's coaching experience is based purely on what he picked up when he was playing. We need to take a gamble on another up and coming aussie in my opinion (if one exists) who has new methodologies and strategies to try for us. The only coaches who have really transformed teams in this country have been australian coaches looking to make a name for themselves (Tony smith with us and warrington, and Brian Smith with Bradford to name two)

Does a coach make a team? Perhaps, perhaps not. Brian smith did less well at Wakey than at Bradford and less well than Chester- who was poor at KR.
McDermott has gone from triple winning to wooden spoon.
Radford has gone from zero to hero.
Tony Smith has gone from hero to zero to hero and repeat.....

We had mal Reilly, van de velde and John Kear- all considered good coaches- non could get wins at hudds....

All that has a ring of sense about it jools, But when do you make a move ? when we are in the championship, You can't just tow on with things that aren't working just because others have, or are failing at other clubs. Darrell Powel has not taken one backward step since he took over at Fev , who are only just coming round from losing him, And at Cas he has done a great job with a lesser squad than many have to work with. This just proves there are coaches that can do it.

I don't quite know why some people feel the need to defend PA whatever he does, when he leaves the Giants he will get another job, he wont be on the dole, nobody dislikes him, they just think he is not doing the job, and never getting out of the bottom two this season would tend to back that up. If the unthinkable happens and we get relegated , it will be two late.

When did T Smith go to Zero ?

When did TS go to zero? Just ask the Warrington fans - several times during his tenure they've called for his head.
TS took over from Daryl Powell - who had failed to win anything with a Leeds side who won silverware with TS in his first year and then kept winning, DP then went to union where his team was relegated.....

aye remember hull fc fans desperate to get rid of radford!

I personal don't remember much dissatisfaction with T Smith at Wolves, However I wont dispute it if you say there was some. They certainly seem happy enough with him now.

Don't think D Powell did a full 2 seasons at Leeds as coach, in his first job before he went to Union, and what he did in Union matters not one bit to me , or many other people either I would think.
What I said was he did a great job at Fev, which he did, and so far he's doing the same at Cas , You don't appear impressed.

Powell wasn't at Leeds very long- but TS was there for less than a year and won silverware with the same squad. He did a good job at championship level. You are impressed by what he's done at Cas- which is what? So far he's done less than PA has with hudds....

With a lot less resources and they play attractive rugby

Cas 2014 6th
2015. 5th
2016. 6th so far.

Cas have got better under Powell we have got worse year on year under Anderson.

Fact

The Wire fans were calling for TS to go last season. They'd lost a raft of players to transfers/retirement and were struggling to find cohesion.

PA - 'Small squad plus numerous injuries has meant the players haven't been able to have been 'rolled around' this season' resulting in Friday's display.Facts or excuses?

fact

throw in the unforseen circumstances with ferres too

but giving robbo a deal and still having a small squad was poor management, some say its thewlis that makes some of those decisions though

looks like they are getting their act together now though with signings of brierley, ikahihifo and symonds? ormsby for 2017.. some coming earlier than planned due to the predicament me find ourselves in