After a 185 mile drive from working in Carlisle to get to HKR I have the following observations to make. We started off poor, then started to play, then took off Crabtree and Ta'ai and let them back into the game at 22-12.

Their pack monstered us apart from Ta'ai and showed the folly of leaving out Patrick and playing Dwyer for a few minutes in a game where we were at least a forward short. We also like the St Helen's match conceded and looked mediocre when Dwyer was on the field.

Rumour has it they think Fuey is too slow around the play the ball but he's better than Dwyer who should be on the first bus back to Warrington I can't see any benefit to us after the last two matches.

Finally how many times is Grix going to get stripped in his own 20 he was a menace again last night and that along with poor discipline, the wrong tactics and a Hull KR side who on the night were far superior except for a purple 12 minutes spell shows we still have a long way to go.

Ukuma Ta'ai was outstanding but taken off the field too soon and left off too long for me PA got it wrong last night and we looked like we need the two weeks off.

Playing Friday was wrong when you played Monday. you say forwards were dominated then this would have been a big factor. Who agreed that you played Friday?

hull kr

I would never play Dwyer, fuey and lunt in.the same squad!
Lunt is the business in every week!
Fuey ok slower in distribution but good step and offload!
Dwyer a pacey, excitable player but in the fairy tale of wire the book reads Dwyer goes back and scores the winning try against us in the quarter final! Could happen! Get shut and get leeming in. Rather develop our own than help a player from one of our main rivals.
Anderson may have got little bits wrong but its his first year and although he won't use the short turn around as a reason we have some big lads in our squad takes longer for them to recover.
On top of that we have had hard games
Catalan, wire, Leeds, widness, Bradford, saints before this game with one loss not bad by my standing!

Did he get it wrong or was his hand forced. I didn't go but from the commentary it sounds like we were fatigued, poor goal line defence isnt usually associated with us, dropped ball and sloppy passing sounded to be happening more often than usual too. perhaps Patrick didn't play because he hadn't sufficiently recovered-no point in 'resting' him otherwise as they have two weeks off.
The lads have got some time off (most of them) many are going away in holiday and will come back refreshed and raring to go.

We are mad using Dyer in my opinion but it was lacklustre last night and don't take me wrong providing we play well against Leeds it's fine.

However we could have played Cording rather than Dyer last night as we effectively ran a three man bench.

But Ukuma didn't look tired and he has played amongst the longest minutes of all but we rested him for too long.

His run down the wing area and kick inside was spectacular amongst other breaks I am convinced we have a star in the making.

I,ve been saying for some time certainly as far back as the Widnes away game, Taai has been battering the players he comes up against.

The beast is out, watch out!

Totally agree about dwyer but some of our established players need to look at the replay and see what DUMB penalties do to us , KILLER INSTINCT if only we had some last night with the breaks in the second half we would had got the points. Hey ho bring on the whinos.

This game was pencilled in as a Friday game when the initial fixtures came out. So well before the TV fixtures giving Huddersfield a Monday night game came out. We also played 24 hrs earlier not as if we previously played on the Friday and had a full week off.

24 hrs , showed in our tiredness last night though, Fuey looked well out of sorts for me and is not a prop.

Just shows again that we are short in the front row against the bigger packs especially without Fielden. Crabtree is left to do far too much on his own and I have to say I am a little disappointed in Kopczak after his great start for us. He needs to up his work rate with ball in hand.

spot on been on this form since the widnes game

I have said before and again at the game that we seem to lose something when Dwyer comes on for Lunt, no sleight on Dwyer who doesn't actually do anything wrong ( apart from jumping out of the line and missing the man he went for last night ), Dont know whether certain players individual tactics are changed or something when the change is made but we seem to stop doing the good things we were doing and slacken off. It happened again last night and the problem was in that spell we got hammered and never recovered from it.

Am not gonna blame fatigue as they were simply better than us on the night and a couple of our players didn't perform as well as they could. We stopped tackling for a 20 minute spell that killed us.

As for penalties, why do we insist on giving silly penalties away in dangerous positions ? 10/15 metres from our own line when our heads are down which, inevitably leads to a try - in games like last night stuff like that will lose us games.

crabtree was poor lastnight and not often i say that.

would of preferred another prop on the bench but this is where we are starting to miss fielden

Either
get fuey on to rest lunt. Ok not as fast distribution of ball but solid with defence, good step and great off load
Or
Get Leeming get some game time to interchange with lunt. Young and green but our player
Don't
Let Dwyer carry on learning our systems and giving game to a potential for one of our main contenders give it to.our bloody own!

I think Fooey is becoming very ineffective these days, oppositions have worked him out and he doesn't seem to be able to get his step or his offload working anymore.

Would like to see Leeming get some more gametime as hopefully he will be the long term cover for Lunt, Dwyer and Fooey aren't gonna be around much longer so lets start using him now !

Re Faiumu agree he has been a lot less effective.
I also got the feeling if the Giants are signing a ball playing loose forward in Chris Bailey if the rumours are true then it may be Faiumu that he replaces next season.

Ok so who to interchange with lunt at hooker? If the answer is Leeming lad needs to be getting game time as soon as.

Don't know but Faiumu is not seen as a hooker now anyway. I would hope we are looking to bring a utility player in next season that can cover half back and hooker.

We lost the game in the first 8 minutes when we conceded 10 points.

Dwyer wasn't even on the pitch at that point.

We lost because we didn't play as well as the opposition, anything else is just window dressing.

Let's get out of this scapegoat culture because until we do we won't win anything.

Leeming is 17, the coaching staff don't think he's ready to be playing regularly but hey what do they know. Let's turn him into another Steve Booth, Paul White, Matthew Whitaker, Chris Thorman etc etc. That way when he plays badly the crowd can get on his back, shatter his confidence and end his career.

kyle wood?

this scapegoating of dwyer is rubbish, he plays quite well for us.

ok lunt goes off but so does crabtree, kopzchak and taai in that time!

I've no problem with Dwyer as like i've said he doesn't do anything wrong on the pitch ....maybe it is because we change 2 or 3 at the same time but it seems the intensity/tactics change.

well its worked upto now we are 2nd in the table, lets not get too down beat and look forward to the backlash v leeds!

Too much sense talked in one post

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