do we, as a unit, just stop trying in EVERY game ?

the 1st 40 today saw us put effort in and we were very unlucky to go in behind like we did due to that lucky try but 10 minutes into the 2nd half it was gone, its as if someone on the pitch gives a call and everyone stops.

We were being laughed at today by wire fans who couldn't believe how easy it was in the 2nd half.
it got to the point that they scored every time they had the ball - simply by throwing it along the line and walking over our try line without, at times, a single attempted tackle on them.

not one of their 2nd half tries had to be worked for and were simply walk ins.
it took us 37 minutes to get into their red zone in the 2nd half - 37 MINUTES !!!!!

I dont mind losing if the players give something but today and the last few weeks have seen very,very little in the way of effort.

Is it the coaching team or the players themselves to blame ?
I will say the players because they have to put the effrot in on the field, the coaches cant do it for them.

I like to think i'm quite positive about my rugby but at the moment the only positive i can find is that i've only got to endure this for another 2 weeks !

It seems that whatever was wrong when Brown left is still a problem now.

I know we will probably never know but the supporters for me are owed a statement from the club as to whats wrong. The players are as you say Daz just can't be bothered and are picking up their wages for (only just) showing up

Yes, I feel pretty ashamed of the group of players at the moment. It seems a strong word, but do they understand the pride we have in our home town? I guess the answer to that is a resounding no. The psychological damage being suffered by some players will not easily go. I believe the u20s lost by 90 odd too! Desperate.

had to laugh at the irony of the W#nky w#nky warrington chants. Doesn't work the week after a wembley win and 2nd int league.

Fair point.... had to laugh myself tbh.

You've looked totally rudderless the last two times we've met (today and the semi), big changes could be needed...

do you not think its down to us making zero yards up field, defending alot in our own half, knocking on, penalties whatever in the first half

which leaves us knackered in the 2nd half and therefore the bodies are drained and the onslaught begins...its our own doing putting ourselves in the situation

these warrington fans laughing at us... the same ones that we made a banner for congratulating not so long ago??

Oh some of our fans once made a banner so they arent allowed to laugh at our fans chanting y Warrington?

Get a grip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dont thinnk it was supposed to suggest what the song says...........anyone who has known RL banter over the years knows that nearly all teams have or do sing that to Warrington as it was what Wire were affectionately known as through the RL world ....they obviously aren't w*nky anymore but people will always sing it !!!!

sarcasm?

Why?

Not enough props. End of story.

Thanks Nathan.

Saints have played this season with arguably 1 specialist prop (Perry) and a bunch of second rowers and are still 3rd. The attitude is the problem. You were fine at the start of the year, then suddenly went into meltdown? Something happened there. Can't work it out.

It seems many who had a lot more optimism than my realism (branded as negativity) have now started to accept these facts

I have hung on in even though my head said the same -its a sad situation were in

There are players out there like (to name a few) Eorl/ Broughy / Jerry / Robbo who 100% have the ability but really at the moment seem to have lost the will

Why Why Why Why ?????????????

That is what puzzles me most !
I worry deeply about it being a squad !

Many on nhere all play different sports as part of teams - but speaking personally -it bloody hurts if I feel I could have done better for my team mates

It doesnt seem to bother the lads at the moment whartever the rehetoric --so whats gone wrong

This is where my previous sympathy for KD wears a little thinner despite him having my utmost gratitude and respect for his efforts to date
Are our problems ..........
Down to high level decisions?
Did the lads want NB to stay?
Are they happy he\s gone?
Atre they happy its PA?
Is it ba 50-50 split on feelings in the camp (Playing squad)
Unhappy about the selection process /training methods

We can only WONDER !!

and cant do a thing about it !

BUT KEN CAN - AND NOW SHOULD IMO

Internal enquiry - speak to the squad - PA - management -et al on a one to one- get to the root cause (and there surely is one behind the doors) and get a grip

Read my posts 6-7 weeks ago and I said it THEN

whatever the reason -and there is ONE (at least) - IT NEEDS SOLVING--PRONTO

Not just sit on our hands - oh dear its gone wrong - and so Im buggering off!

Get a bloody grip - find out whats caused the malaise and whatever measures and however harsh - sort it !!

If joe public (particularly the faithful) can see something being done and positive action they may feel more willing to part with more for renewing and thats a start as its evident more income is needed and badly

But at the moment it just appears that its turn the other way and the prob will disappear

Sorry Ken -though it pains me to see it happening and to say it -- youre the leader and the man at the top
You built a successful co by making decisions that really hurt at times i am willing to bet

I think some are surely needed now and fast
You are the leader - and highly respected by all who support the Giants

Right now its apparent by feelings on hear that the "fans" are looking for signs of some real action and leadership -- and that can only come from you

IMO -and I suspect others ..................

This is no longer a players out of position prob
Its no longer a NB dithering prob
Its no longer a dip in form
Its no longer should we or shouldnt we have bought / sold x y or z

Its something much much deeper surely?

Ken --The reduced price strategy - however much appreciated didnt seem to have the desired return
You want us to show by paying viable ticket prices (no complaints) and sales that we have faith in the club strategy
Then find out the cause / reason for the sharp decline and show us the faithful its being sorted and Im sure most will be there if they can at all afford it
Theres more chance of turning round if Management / Players / and fans are on the same wavelength and in the know

At the moment we are in the dark feeling totally frustrated and even more bemused than you ! and as Daz says asking WHY WHY WHY!
There has to be a real reason ! Please sort it - Please!

well said crackerjack

puletua isnt a prop then?

prob one of the best in super league for me

mccarthy scarsbrook too..

we only have crabtree this season who does anything and hes playing big minutes

mason and patrick have been very poor and the other prop spot..well take your pick gilmour, ferguson, faalogo

Excellent post crackerjack, couldn't agree more, a deep seated problem which needs resolving.

Like i said on the Wire site, there was no penetration in the 2nd half, Snow White probably got more off the 7 dwaves than Hudds offered in the 2nd half.

Cracking post cj.
Can feel your emotion in it too - must have taken ages to type.
Sums up feelings at the moment.
Would love a great last home performance turning Leeds over , with committed players but I'm ever the optimist.

Top post Crackers and i just about agree with every single word of it, now is the time for questions to be asked by soneone upstairs and the answers to be made public to us, the fans, before too many decide to not bother next year, i already know of at least 15 who wont be back next year - and if we all know 15 thats is a hell of a lot of people.

I can actually understand people bailing out (recession, lads without jobs, a team that clearly isn't bothered etc) but I won't be one of them. I'll get my season ticket & follow Fartown home & away. If nothing more than to give Ken a bit of his investment back & to demonstrate my loyalty to the C&G. But that doesn't mean I'm happy about what is going on at the moment. Far from it. But what can a true fan do but support the team?

Thats me too - Hell i've come back from the dead twice to watch this lot i'll be damned if a few bad months will stop me !

Well it's up for debate really, but both would be far more suited to second row in my opinion, especially LMS..

I used to think Patrick was a brilliant player, always brought energy and a bit of enthusiasm to your pack! What happened there?

Same as whats happened toour team,our squad and our club as a whole, nobody on the outside knows!
Top post rod,and totally agree with everything,i think its time ken came out and told us whats going on,we have/had a talented group of players who worked hard for each other on the field,and replaced by gutless carthorses who show zero effort sometimes, why has that happened?