Not before time our captain has also left his position only 8 weeks too late this should have happened after he tweeted he was going the night before a big game . I said then that grand final winning captains do not do that see Winfield etc. Cullen said last night on boots and all you need everyone to be going in one direction just to have a chance. Anyway the question is now has Huddersfield giants as an organization learnt anything from this whole debacle if not if it was my millions being poured in I might be also looking to make another key change ie managing director Thoughts giants fans

WOW that is mind blowing. So if it was Ken Davy's decision to stick with the Browns you are saying he should step down from the club!!!

You are the first Giants poster I have seen who has implied such a thing.

That is a bit mental

I dont think I was ever convinced by Kev as captain, but over the years he has put in some brilliant performances for us

Ken Davy is chairman I am not daft he does not run the club day to day. As for Kevin brown no one is disputing he is a nice lad and has been a decent player I am talking about what is required to win silverware

Ken Davy is chairman and does not run the club day to day I am not stupid as for Kevin brown no one is saying he isn't a nice lad and a half decent player I am talking about winning silverware which is what I would want if I had put in as much as ken

Think he's on about thewlis. Spoke to a couple of giants player regarding Brett not being offered a new deal befor wire had signed him and that was all down to thewlis. It upset quite a few of the senior pros who in turn thought about their own careers at giants on how Brett was treat. It's one of the strangest decisions that we've made and has bit us on the back side more than once not offering Brett a new contract over 1 year.

Do you think I'm right or wrong then new coach new captain is the rest of the club right Brett leaving mid season same again this year why do people leave organizations that are being run well and where success is imminent

You are if you think someone like ken davy does not have the main say re terminating coaches / captains etc. To think otherwise is stupid.

Are you really so simplistic?

Reasons why a player could leave a club that is run well and success is imminent:

* the player is stupid

* the player has a mental health problem

* the player's partner wants to move

* the player has been a sh*t to team mates but his protector is leaving so he gets out quick

* the player is money orientated and someone else offers him more

* the player thinks a wholely artificial surface will be better for his ankles (

)

* the player is easily manipulated by his agent

* the player wants to play alongside his mates

* the players wife has fallen out with people and wants a move

* the player has some historic link with his new club

There you are 10 reasons. It is easy enough to come up with 10 more. Though not as easy as jumping to a conclusion that fits your prejudice.

PS I forgot the official Kevin Brown reason:

* the player has had a kid an MUST relocate in Wigan and cannot commute to Huddersfield (that extra 40 miles a day is a killer) _ I think that is the excuse / reason we are expected to swallow.

BH showed us again last Sunday, why he would have been worth a 2 year deal, great bit of business by the MD, I bet KD gave him a big pat on the back for that deal

got that decision wrong, been suffering at full back ever since.... still suffering now in such a vital position.

my memory of brett going was that many fans , myself included , thought it was a risk giving a bloke his age a 2 year contract .Especially as he had had a few injuries during the season . My memory also tells me we had few complaints about grix at full back last season , or that we were displeased at signing edan . Hindsight is great , unfortunatly you never have it at the right time .

Thats pretty much how I remember it too camraman

Hodgy was a risk that paid off for Wire
Grix was a shockingly good replacement for him and no one missed Hodgy
People were clammering for Eden to be signed on at all costs and IMO he is still the best fullback at the club and has the potential to be one of the best in the game, that potential wont be realised if he isnt playing though

I think they tried to learn the lesson by giving Gilly an extension. That didn't turn out so well. At the end of the day loads of stuff has gone on in the last 3 years that have annoyed a lot of people. A clear out was needed and looks to have started. If it occurs again the club must look at factors that are constants ie Thewlis and take action.

Brett has been great for wire- but I don't think keeping him would necessarily been the best thing for the giants regardless. He has still had a lot of time off the field with various injuries- I think that would have disrupted us more than it has wire. Grix wouldn't have increased in confidence to the point he was at last season and Eden wouldn't have got all the experience he has do far.

Yeah in the long term it could be the best for us still

Was going to post 'what a load of bull', but camraman put it much more pleasantly!

It's a shame that KB is coming in for so much stick now. He's done OK for us. He has been played out of position consistently (he is not a 6 or 13 but a good centre three quarter). That was NB's fault for trying to stick a square peg in a round hole. I think there is a real parallel between the two Browns....they could achieve only so much but they reach a certain level & can go no further.

I would add this though. At Belle Vue this season Brown's one on one tryline defence saved four, maybe even five dead set walk in tries. He did a ton of hard work for us that seems to either have gone unseen or has been conveniently overlooked/forgotten.

It is time for him to go, but I wish him good luck for the future.

I'll pretty much agree with all of that

At his best he was world class

All he needs is his confidence back and I think with NB leaving he can try and start over a fresh. Not sure the Browns got along very well these last few months!
As for the full back thing I totally agree with camraman.

IIRC Grix was a make-do and never intended to play there long term. We were after Patten as Bodgey's replacement, but he didn't want to come. Hence Eden was signed in the close season.

yes we were in for patten like you say but he opted for salford, been a good player for them too.

lets get it right though, we signed murphy for the full back role for this season, he didnt play early on as he was out injured...therefore eden got his chance and took it. when we signed eden no one really expected to see him play much, i remember alot of people moaning whos this eden lad etc.... he came to us as a winger and nathan brown didnt really know which was his best position

Yeah, and he has been brilliant and error ridden in equal measures at fullback

Only playing time will improve is errors, time on the sidelines will blunt his attacking prowess.

Kevin wont play again this season

Brett Hodgson was offered 2 years but deal at Warrington was better

Patten's defence is woeful but he's very good in attack