As someone who follows both huddersfield codes it has not escaped my attention that the stadium share issue has raised its ugly head again with no deal yet concluded it seems to me from the outside that there maybe some danger to the giants position as stadium partner if a successful deal is not concluded. anyone got any thoughts, views information?

Ken owns everything doesn't he ...no danger to the giants just town fans rearing their bitterness towarss him again

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i thought that the stadium sharing with premier league teams and rugby was going to be banned very shortly which will put wigan in a difficult situation

carnt see this ever happening to be honest, but if it did then wigan athletic would have to move lol..

Its a bit naive to think that it wont affect the giants if ksdl fails or the major shareholding becomes dominated by the football. KSDL depends on the football revenue because giants dont generate enough crowds or revenue from 13 games to make the stadium profitable. If the balance of power shifts the consequences for the giants wil be serious which is why i raised it as an important topic. Giants fans should at least be aware and not think everything will just be alright because ken davey has sorted everything for the last 15 yrs, time may be running out

It is an important topic.Where have you heard that KSDL are going to fail.

Sorry to contradict you but it's my understanding that ksdl do not rely on association football revenue or RL revenue,as both clubs just pay a fixed rental agreement to use the stadium,regardless of crowd numbers attending or any profit made by either code.

The 40% share in ksdl was never removed from the bankrupt association football club,they were just transferred into a holding company by the new clubs owner Ken Davy,a business decision he was perfectly entitled to make.After all if you buy a bankrupt sports club and have to pay off it's debts,like for example Sir Ken did out of his own pocket for unpaid wages to the soccer players of £1.4 million then you also take on any assets like the soccer shares in KSDL,which were valued at the time at just £2 by the administrator against possible default of the £7 million borrowed by ksdl to build the north stand.This was of course in the days before Ken Davy had anything to do with the running of ksdl.KSDL were taken over by Sir Ken at the same time he took over at Town,both failed companies then.

Not sure why you believe time is somehow running out for the Giants.
If D.Hoyle has the shares in his name as Town owner,then they are still worthless until KSDL start making profit.Until someone makes KSDL profitable the bloody shares of both codes in that company are worthless.Maybe Hoyle will take over as head man/decision maker of ksdl from KD and then they will start making millions.
If Hoyle takes over from KD as chairman of ksdl & is brilliant at making big money for KSDL,fine by me as the Giants are entitled to 20% return (after any debt is paid off)

You traitor what about your home town teams eh???
Come down the Shay where you see fans with some real passion not Ken Davy's plastic army!

naughty naughty.

See you blue & white hordes on the 29th of Jan when the Infirmary Cup will once again be ours.

Once again, its not like you have always won it is it???

Nah I cannot stand glory fans, people should support their hometown team in rugby league.

Well lets get real it isn't as if Town are going to be in the Premier league next year or any time soon. They are a third division regular side where there is one outstanding team Charlton and four more Sheff Utd, Sheff Weds, MKD and Town who will fill places 2,3,4 and 5 and on current form with what their own message board posters admit is a defence that lacks pace and a manager that lacks creative vision in his team selection Town will most likely be in the play offs something as yet they haven't shown an ability to get through recently.

Mindst if Dean Hoyle wants to payout £15/£25 million to buy out the Giants, I would point out that the Town posters talk about Dean Hoyle getting his shares back not HTAFC which would worry the '' out of me, there is a lovely old traditional patch of grass down Spaines Road way that would look good with four new stands around it !!

Getting back to reality the football in recent years where the linesmen run and goalmouths has caused far more damage than anything the RL has done to the Galpharm pitch and anyone who watched Wigan v Liverpool the other night would have seen where all the damage was coming from at the DW.... the football as clumps of grass were been hacked out all over the field and it looked like a farmers field at the end... as the classier footballers of Liverpool pointed out as the reason for them not beating Wigan. !!

In summary both Huddersfield sports teams need to play in the Galpharm to make it work and there has also been a lack of concerts or anything else in recent years that would add the additional revenue stream for any one of the three partners to force a team out although Spaines Road way would be my dream !! but alas dream it wil bel forever remain !!

To the Halifax fan

I do support the teams from the town of my birth, i was fortunate to be born in a town with real sporting tradition, two clubs with famous histories and 2 wealthy ambitious chairman who both back our clubs to try and achieve success. My postcode just happens to be in a place that has 2 teams playing in pub leagues sharing an unfinished council house with no real history or tradition.

Please stay out of our debate and help your club back to superleague so we can have a good friday local derby again.

The concerts had stopped way before Sir Ken had to bail out the useless KSDL,as well as the wendyball.

No one can force us (HGRLFC) out of that stadium.We are on a 140+ year lease that was agreed a few years back.

Sir Ken obviously operates by the old business maxim of 'never give a sucker an even break'

D.Hoyle has gone down in my estimation after today.I had him on a par with Sir Ken as a champ who put his money where his mouth is for the good of sport in this town,but today he has let himself down badly with this petulant stuff over the rent.Sir Ken made the Giants pay for rent on 15 fixtures though we only play 13 in that stadium and it was just to help out the soccer in their hour of need after former soccer owners had sent them to the brink of bankruptcy,and this is the thanks Sir Ken now gets.

I was ready to give the soccer the benefit of their side of the story,but after today I am even more on the side of Sir Ken than I ever was.150% behind Sir Ken.

Sir Ken's an easy target,a scapegoat.

Here are some names for the soccer lot to mull over about who really are to blame for their problems - Heady,Fisher (Helped set up the original rental agreement),Rubery (HTFC bankruptcy),Collinge (KSDL- well before Sir Ken had owt to do with KSDL - KSDL with Collinge at the head never made any profit,which is why Town had to go bust because Rubery was obviously clueless about the bigger picture of the finances 'tween HTFC & KSDL.

Sir Ken meanwhile had the foresight to put the Giants shares in KSDL into a holding company so we were sitting pretty knowing we weren't liable for the fact Collinge & co were useless,but Rubery wasn't as clued up about the relationship between Town soccer & KSDL,so he dragged down Town to almost extinction.

But the soccer clowns aren't interested in the facts,just blame Sir Ken for all their problems of their own making.

Interesting how this topic has now come up again. As i highlighted it is important Giants fans get up to speed on what is happening here as it has major potential ramifications for the club.

As i stated i support both clubs but the facts are Ken Davy moved the HTAFC shares into his company Huddersfield Sporting pride when he owned HTAFC. Whatever you think of that he got those shares for £2. Dean Hoyle rightly in my view wants town to have the shares back and offered a massive amount to Ken Davy for the shares back(allegedly) that is what the hassle is now about. Whoever you want to blame if it is not sorted these are the problems.

Giants cannot exist alongside KSDL in the stadium without HTAFC look at the rental payments in the Examiner. If HTAFC now push the fans not to support KSDL and Ken Davy KSDL will suffer financialy and will have to be propped up by Ken Davy as he owns 60%. Meaning he has less money to back the Giants he may have so much that is not a problem. However worse than that is the hatred and split which is now only going to get worse that will not help us hit our 10k crowd target as we simply wont get there without the backing of the floaters. Also now the abuse rightly or wrongly is going to heap on Ken Davy lets hope as he gets older as a wealthy man he doesnt decide the whole thing is not worth the hassle

So Hoyle wants the shares for nowt now just to reap off 40% profit on the stadium in years to come but does not want to take on any of the debt responsibility that Sir Ken has incurred over the last few years to try & make KSDL profitable,and at the same time as sorting out the farce that was KSDL,Sir Ken was running 2 pro sports clubs making a loss.

As the Conn article says the admin said KD's offer for the bankrupt soccer was the only viable one.

Sir Ken got the soccer 40% in KSDL for £2 for one reason & one reason only because HTAFC went bankrupt due to a bloke called Rubery,the 40% was worth absolutely nowt until someone made KSDL profitable,& Sir Ken was the one who tried to make KSDL profitable.

Mate the hatred comes only 1 way from the soccer towards us

Sir Ken has faced these soccer haters down before,and he will do so again.He is 70 years old,but as they say nowadays 70 is the new 50 people are so much fitter now than what they were,and Sir Ken as always thrives on the backing of the ultra enthusiastic Giants fans.

sorry but that is rubbish Dean Hoyle put a very fair offer ie millions to ken for the shares back more than covering what he invested in HTAFC. KSDL wil only be successful and make a profit with both clubs backing and unless this is sorted quick the damage both financially and in goodwill to the giants could be extensive

Why are you making a big issue about the shares going for £2,like I said the soccer club was bankrupt,so was ksdl because of £7M borrowed against the building of the north stand.

The 40% soccer shares Ken got were worth feck all,how long will it take for soccer munters to let that sink in.They would only become profitable on the back on Sir Kens efforts at making ksdl a success.

Before that it was a huge fecking disaster the soccer under rubery & ksdl under collinge.Ken came in and tried to sort out the mess when the rest of the soccer guys who so loved Town were out to lunch when it came to saving their beloved club & of course KSDL.

Up the ken davy!!!

The council statement was pretty clear, they were happy for shares to revert to Town on condition they (Kirklees) reverted to previous arrangements. The actual rent payments are set out in the Stadium agreement, however in Town's hour of need KD & Kirklees both agreed to pick up a greater share. If the shares revert so should the formula (the Kirklees statement states it has not actually changed it in the agreement but by custom the Giants have paid more).

Its pretty clear to me that Hoyle has attempted brinksmanship, KD has stood firm and now the Jakey from Wakey is trying to stir up the Town fans. That will make things more difficult for Giants in the short term, but longer term the profits will come not from rent payments but the HD one development.

Even if KD was completely in the wrong Hoyle is pretty stupid to have issued his statement as it is a public justification for KD to have nothing to do with him.

Seems to me that DH's statement says 'the changes' were something trivial so he's opted out of signing on principle maybe ??.... KD says they were important to the Giants and he made some changes asked for by HTAFC anyway.

Idiots on the Town message boards and in person are now calling themselves tennants and wanting to move to the Shay ! Surely they would be HTAFC.... but with Halifax instead of Huddersfield......

I'm sure HTAFC will get 'their ' shares back but the agreement should be fair to all three parties and have a clause that stops all this 'you'll be out when we are in the 'premier League' once and for all. The shares after all took into account matches played in the stadium so 40% 40% and 20% reflected each parties contribution so of course HTAFC paid more they play a minimum of 23 games whereas the Giants play a minimum of 13 so proceeds as and when should also be on staggered distribution.

However for many years the RFL have put internationals and semi finals Huddersfields way on top of the Giants contributions which hasn't happened from the soccer side.

AND FINALLY !! Which team rented the Shay and played home matches there last year ?? It wasn't HTAFC so the 'tennant' stayed 'put' and the owners played in Halifax to let the pitch be relaid somehow that doesn't reflect any form of unfair tennant owner relationship to me.

Seems KD is a somewhat tougher cookie than DH is used to dealing with in the greetings card industry !! hence his outburst obviously mentioning the 'special relationship' and no its not the one with the USA... its the HTAFC fans of course !!! seems the Giants and KD got there first on that one !!

it seems as though its kirkless council that have moved the goal posts....giants just sticking to the deal that was already in place

so the dumb football fans need to lay off ken davy/giants and start with the council.

UP THE GIANTS!!!!

only just read todays examiner, i was going on saturdays piece ... and hoyles statement just makes it worse!

ken davy agrees to give the shares back based on what was agreed at the start of the partnership with giants/town/council...not on the one which he saved town on..

hoyle trying to tarnish SIR ken davys name

This whole stadium share thing is not good for either sports team, I love both clubs and I will for the rest of my life and it's such a shame this share handover has not been sorted out yet. Either something has gone on that we dont know about or certain people are causing pointless delays. I just want it sorting out sooner rather than later if not no doubt both football and Rugby fans will start falling out and a divide will start again which is just stupid. We both play at a fantastic sporting venue, we are Huddersfield so let's sort this out and see both teams succeed in the near future.