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| hope the john sharp fans are realising now that he was in the job for 18months too long!
the giants are alot more entertaining to watch and the changes are as clear as day.
winning at bradford and with ganson as ref - theres no doubt times are changing!
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| 18months isnt fair I dont think, but I do think his time was up after last years MM.
BUT, we are only 3 games in now, done well so far though, but lets not be calling anyone the new messiah yet
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| You do realise that within that 18 months you're talking about that we made our debut in the play offs, don't you.
ATEOTD when we lose a few the same old faces will be saying the same old whinges. It's far easier to complain than give any praise and it will always be the same with those people.
Spidey senses well and truly tingled.
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| yes i do realise we made the play offs but i that was down to the players more than john sharp...we were lucky with not many injuries that year and most coaches would of got us into the play offs.
not the biggest fan of sharp..had some good times but the team went stale, players were playing out of position and he never seemed to get them motivated enough.
now i can see a massive differance in the way we are playing to previous under sharp, quicker passing, moves etc.
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| Jon sharp was our most successful SL manager at Giants. He got us to CC Final and SL Play offs.
That's something you fickle fans are going to have to live with!
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| All this conjecture about winning despite him etc blah. It's all garbage, it's just retrospective conjecture and utterly meaningless. The FACT is that under Sharp we made a CC Final and the play offs and he must get credit for that as much as he cops flack for the losses. All the "I told you so" rubbish doesn't alter those facts. Under his stats he took us to a CC Final and play off despite the whining, know better know nothing whingers who care more about whether a coach smiles and waves than whether he gets results.
End of story.
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| like i say he had good times, but most coaches would of done what he did and more...
he was the only coach who got to spend upto the full salary cap dont forget
fickle fans? dont think so. more an opinion, this is a forum
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| the differances in the giants now and when playing under sharp are massive
end of
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| Quote ="brearley84"the differances in the giants now and when playing under sharp are massive
end of'" After 3 games? After 3 games under Sharp the team were unbeaten and top of the league. I do not understand why some people try to make out that success was 'in spite' of Sharp. That's just ridiculous and pathetic really isn't it.
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| Quote ="brearley84"the differances in the giants now and when playing under sharp are massive
end of'" just like smith and then sharp
never ends,move on
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| Quote ="Wes Hooligan"After 3 games? After 3 games under Sharp the team were unbeaten and top of the league. I do not understand why some people try to make out that success was 'in spite' of Sharp. That's just ridiculous and pathetic really isn't it.'"
it was time for him to move on homer.. we needed to new leader and it has worked out ok ... so far
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| Quote ="brearley84"like i say he had good times, but most coaches would of done what he did and more...
he was the only coach who got to spend upto the full salary cap dont forget
fickle fans? dont think so. more an opinion, this is a forum'"
More conjecture. You don't know that [imost coaches would have done what he did and more...[/i
It's easy to slag someone off after the event. It's easy to say Brown is better 3 games into his reign. What will you say after we've lost a few, no doubt you'll be slagging him off as you're trying to slag off Sharp now.
Meaningless posts, worthless. The energy would be far better spent on concentrating on the here and now and just giving Sharp credit for what we achieved under him just like he gets the grief for the failings.
Just as people can waste bandwidth with pointless slagging off of ex-coaches who ultimately did their best, I can try to bring what I see as a bit of sense to proceedings by giving the man a bit of credit.
Every coach is just an ex-coach waiting to happen. So there's really little point in slagging off the old one in favour of he new one every time. The next one wont always be better or worse, just different.
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"it was time for him to move on homer.. we needed to new leader and it has worked out ok ... so far'"
Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't. Either way it has happened so you get on with it. It is no reason to go belittling the man and trying to take away his part in our achievements while blaming him solely for our deficiencies. A bit of balance is required in these wonky posts IMO.
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| This is getting dull now.
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"it was time for him to move on homer.. we needed to new leader and it has worked out ok ... so far'" I agree, it really was time after the 2007 season. I just don't understand why people still slag Sharp off despite the fact that he basically made the club what it is today.
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| sharp made the club what it is?!
think we need to look at ken davy and tony smith more to thank for that
sharp will be down at that pharm on fri night trying to beat the giants but im afraid he will be dissapointed.
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| As an aside, where did you get the pic from your avatar?
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| got it off giantsrl website.. had to really make it small to get it on here though!
jammer the hammer!!
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| Quote ="Code13"This is getting dull now.'"
You are right its pathetic that these fans still bag Jon sharp for all the success he gave us.
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| Quote ="COCKNEY GIANT"You are right its pathetic that these fans still bag Jon sharp for all the success he gave us.'"
i admit i never liked him. but however good/bad he was, it was time for him to move on , for his benefit and ours
even the greatest of managers need a new challenge
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| Can't argue with that. It came to a point where he had to go for a culmination of reasons.
I'd also add that for such a poor coach, him and Agar are doing OK At Hull FC. They beat Leeds in the Jamie Jones Testimonial and are unbeaten so far in Super League.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"Can't argue with that. It came to a point where he had to go for a culmination of reasons.
I'd also add that for such a poor coach, him and Agar are doing OK At Hull FC. They beat Leeds in the Jamie Jones Testimonial and are unbeaten so far in Super League.'"
you need the right man and the right players.. look at wire, some good players who need a leader to inspire them
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| Quote ="COCKNEY GIANT"Jon sharp was our most successful SL manager at Giants. He got us to CC Final and SL Play offs.
That's something you fickle fans are going to have to live with!'"
That is true but he was the guy who played quite a few of the players out of there positions something everyone has to live with but tbh I was extremely happy for the team and Sharp when they made it to the CC final will never forget that day. Making it to the play offs was good too.
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| Quote ="amy victoria"That is true but he was the guy who played quite a few of the players out of there positions something everyone has to live with
but tbh I was extremely happy for the team and Sharp when they made it to the CC final will never forget that day. Making it to the play offs was good too.'"
It was a case of needs must. We didn't have an out and out fullback at the club. I think if you'd have asked Sharp if Thorman was a natural fullback he'd have said "no". But he backed Thorman to come good. And answer me this; if Thorman was so unhappy with Sharp's selection policy why did he follow him to Hull?
Personally, I think Sharp's biggest mistake in that respect was allowing Donlan to leave while retaining Reilly for one more year. I would've kept Donlan... there's no room for sentiment in business or sport, as Sharp found out soon enough. Ironically, I think that Sharp bowed to the overall fans opinion on that score, and he suffered at their hand later on.
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