I'll leave being a moron to you, you're doing ever so well.

You've been wasting your time ever since you came with no real foundation for any of your opinions.

You want Ken Davy to do something because you feel it is morally and ethically the right thing to do and then use morally and ethically dubious means to try and achieve it. ATEOTD the share issue is a business issue. It's not exactly morally right the bankers of Government owned institutions get whopping salaries and bonuses either. Why not print some t-shirts about that whilst you're at it, Billy?

You need to wake up and get over the massively inflated sense of self worth you have and shove your brain in a grow bag.

No, you are saying that the officials should have seen into the future to tell you what the pitch would be like at 9.30am on a Saturday morning and then announce it the day before because you think the world revolves around HTFC.

You're basically saying because something is legal, regardless of its morality - it should be accepted as is and we shouldn't challenge the status quo.

If you'd noticed people are protesting about the bankers too, because it isn't right. Hence why there's been an uproar regarding the Government-owned bank rewarding huge bonuses to its men at the top. Which has resulted in one or some of them not taking them. So what you've done is make the point that what we're doing is in vain, then proceeded to back it up with an actual event whereby a victory was achieved because people questioned the morality of it and protesting the case (pressure in the press in this case among other things), so at least we do agree with each other in that I'm wasting my time - you could argue with yourself.

Call me Billy more, it really affects me. In retrospect it really puts me in my place and adds much more weight to your argument, kudos.


I guess what I'm saying if there was 50% chance or more that the game could have been called off (imo) it should have. Even if they called it off on the Fri then on Sat it was suitable, it saves lots of wasted journeys and money that in this current climate could be better spent elsewhere. I don't think the world revolves around HTFC, but I think football revolves around the fans, or if thanks to Sky and the PL it doesn't - it should.

Yes, challenge a perceived morally dubious action with morally dubious actions in return. Try and put words into the mouths of others. Come along to games of other sports and instigate trouble. Threaten your own fans in the refreshment queues. That is not challenging the status quo. Coming on here posting paragraphs of piffle with no actual content is hardly challenging the status quo. It's a bit special, that's what it is.

This isn't some noble moral crusade you're fighting here. Maybe it is in your own head and the head of a few more but it certainly doesn't appear that way to me and to the layman. Like it or not, you don't have all the facts and assumptions made by you and your ilk have snowballed out of control. You've let your heart rule your heads and it has backfired.

As for your opinion on the Leyton Orient game, again you need the reality check. You claimed there was no inspection the day before when there was. It is on the Leyton Orient website along with information that another inspection would take place on the Saturday. A key factor here was the distance between the clubs. Had it have been Sheffield Wed/Utd then it would be a non-issue. Last season ~550 HTFC fans attended this fixture. It is also up to the fan to make an informed decision here. The game wasn't on TV, there was no Sky pressure or anything like that. The clubs will have wanted the game to go ahead too, why not blame them? It's moaning for moaning sake and forcing your opinion as a better one without knowing all the ins and outs, just as you do with the shares issue.

So one person came and did that at a Giants game, and you're assuming we're all cut from the same cloth.

I am giving examples of actions that are morally and ethically dubious.

It is clear from talking to HTFC fans I know and from being a HTFC fan myself that all HTFC fans are not cut from the same cloth.

The whole share issue is way out of hand. The fans have made it worse in my opinion and the best thing that could happen would be for it to be put on ice for a couple of months to allow tempers to cool and provide the opportunity for the people that really matter to get back around the table and hopefully strike an agreement.

Constantly stoking the fire isn't working. It's making it worse.

This is a RL forum for Giants supporters. I am sure that there will be someone on a different forum or some beer soaked old lad in a pub simple enough to enjoy your dull ramblings.

Please muster a moments insight and see that it is not just that we disagree with you....we find you gloriously dim. And your lack of self awareness about your stupidity is very amusing.

Do come back and post about other non RL topics that bounce around in your head...you know you want to....

Strange all this talk of morals, they only seem to work one way though:

Ken Davy should hand back shares for £ 2.
Dean Hoyle need not pay Ken Davy for his loan stock (shares in Town arising from Ken having loaned Town money).
Shares in KSDL should be split 40:40:20 as per the original concept.
Giants should pay a greater amount (15/13) for every fan entering the stadium, ie more than the original concept.
That is such an important point that Dean Hoyle will not complete his deal with Ken Davy and that is all Ken's fault.

All this is proven by web-forum posts at DATM and HTSA statements in the examiner.

Did anyone else notice the vast majority of Giants fans at yesterday's match showing support for HTSA by wearing Lime Green t-shirts under their coats?

Please muster some ability to read what has been posted and see that the topic of bankers and our football game being called off were first raised by your fans, cheers.

Good Evening - its been a while.

A long time ago now, I was approached by one of the HTSA people to ask whether there was a Supporters Association for the Giants. At the time there wasn't one but, when Dave finally got things going I passed on details and possibly caused the introduction.

Even now, I'm a firm believer that there is an awful lot of synergy between the two establishments and that they should be working together. Yes, a spokesperson has taken one item that was mentioned at the end of the meeting (so I have been informed) and twisted to their gain. Its spin and lets not forget that. I am sure that Dave et al left that meeting thinking they had gained alot of information which will help the association.

Dave is doing an absolutely fantastic job and don't forget it. There was nobody wanting to setup the Supporter Association, the club were nervous about it and Dave has elected to not take the easy Trust route and do this his way, which will ultimately benefit the club. It seems there are lots of people quick to criticise from behind their keyboard but not willing to speak with Dave and the committee or attend a meeting. Get off your backsides and get down to a committee meeting, pay for your membership and communicate with them.

I'm a member and I was on the committee until work commitments demanded more attention. I believe in what they are doing and I trust them to do it right.

Stop listening to a few lines of spin and get behind what Dave is trying to achieve.

Physician, heal thyself.

The music and laughter has long been extinguished, the guests have departed, the lights have been turned off & the pinata has been taken down & yet here you still are, blindfolded, whirling around in the pitch blackness thrashing your stick wildly in the air only to occasionally whack yourself right in the shins.

Hoyle agreed to pay £2 as well as every penny Davy has put into HTFC plus interest. Everything that Davy originally stipulated in his side of the agreement was honoured by Hoyle. Hands were shook and it was made official the shares would be returning. It was then taken to the council. At this point Davy decides to decide that he wants the rental formula reverting back to the original (the one which he changed and clearly stated was set in stone*)

Hoyle asked for mediation but Davy refused. Davy then stated that he had in no way changed any of his demands throughout the process but admitted he'd asked for the rental agreement to be changed, but defended it by saying it was a separate issue to the share transfer, but stated that he would not transfer the shares without Hoyle agreeing????? All this was covered by a confidentiality agreement as so to save face for Davy but has been outed. Hoyle has said the extra money it will cost after reverting back to the original rental formula is immaterial, but it's the principle of it all.

Davy stated to Mids/HTSA that he'd be willing to discuss the terms that were previously covered by the confidentiality agreement as long as Hoyle agreed, which he swiftly did, but now Davy won't reply.

All of it is out there. It isn't the propaganda of a select few it is there in official statements, minuted from FFA's meeting with Davy, and from Q&A sessions with Hoyle.

Now post again and show us how your infantile little obsession causes you to make a pratt of yourself on a rugby league forum......come on, it's an itch you are compelled to keep scratching

And the Giants are top of Super League again.............Cheers Sir Ken !!!

Come on....there must be more.....

Nope supposition, guesswork and assertion are out there. As soon as you quote "mids" as a reliable source you lose most fair minded people, I don't doubt the guys passion for Town but through his vindictive behaviour encouraging people to harass Ken Davy he becomes part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

I'll give you examples of Mids dubious facts - Ken Davy transferred shares for £ 2 (it was actually £ 1 as valued by the Administrator) and immediatly valued the stadium at several million (I forget the exact amount), this shows that KD "sneakily stole an asset worth millions". WRONG - KSDL owns the Galpharm and infact the value of its principle asset the Galpharm Stadium did not suddenly change. KSDL was loss making company and worth very little as a trading entity, they cannot cash in on the value of the principle asset as there are two main very long term leases on that asset. Mids is in essence comparing apples with the shelves in the fruit and veg department at Tesco.

Unless you are party to what is in the confidential documents you do not know what is really going on, neither do I and neither does Mids. It is all guesswork and supposition, you and he may be right, but I seriously doubt it. Everything KD has done for the Giants suggest he is a generous, decent man. A man I and many other greatly admire and appreciate.

There is a right way to go about the return of Town's shares, attacking Ken Davy is not that way, whatever he may or may not have done. Be constructive and you will probably achieve what you wish. I am surprised as when this all kicked off at the turn of the year I feared it would hurt the Giants, I believe it is actually hurting Town. If it is indeed a propoganda war KD is winning hands down.

For the record, I have regularly watched both Huddersfield sides, but the Lime Green bullies are keeping me away from Town matches just now. I know there are a good few like me.

See, that's the problem right there. When are you & your kind going to get it through your brick brains that the share issue is none of your business, just as it is none of mine. Only I & many others like me (both Town & Giants fans alike) understand this. Pity you don't. You have no idea what is going on. None of us do. It is between Davy & Hoyle.

But oh no, you can't let it go can you? You blunder in like a drunk at a wake & start shouting the odds at the top of your voice.

If you think you're winning this "debate" with your smear campaigns & witch hunts, then you are sorely mistaken. In point of fact, you are alienating folk, left, right & and alot of them genuine Town fans too.

You need to reign in your ridiculous sense of entitlement & get a grip on reality because you are sinking fast.

Mr Smithfield- we here are well aware of what you believe to be true- you have been banging on about it for months and have mentioned the facts according to htsa several times. There are some people who still believe the earth is flat- they believe they have evidence to prove it so. The fact of the matter is WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. We are able to look at the evidence for ourselves and make up our own minds and you coming on here repeating what you think is true is not going to change that any more than Jehovah's witness turning up at the door will change our religious beliefs- the unintelligent and gullible have sided or been forced to pretend to side with you, but the rest are entitled to their own opinion on the matter and dislike being dictated to by a nobody.
Personally I think your morally repugnant campaign is making the situation worse and slowing down the process and your actions are making it impossible for ken to sit down and sort this out. I suspect the reason ken is not replying to emails is that after the first few threatening and foul emails he got the system has been set to delete those containing any mention of the shares and who can blame him.
we at the giants are happy with where our shares are- I have yet to meet one giants fan who isn't.
You are wasting your time- but feel free to carry on posting it gives me a good chuckle.

No mate, you're a bit wide of the mark there. In six months they'll all be sat with their head in ther hands facing one more year in the third division trying to blame Sir Ken.
Makes you laugh!

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Just seen that.

Mr King it has nothing to do with any fan of either club who are the shareholders of that stadium. The stadium shares are where they are rightfully and legally and until this is resolved in the boardroom not the terraces or gossip they will remain!! Carry on vilifying Mr Davy and it won't be resolved any time soon!! You claim you won't go away well then you'll have to wait a long time. The support for your campaign is waning.

IVe always said ---Stephen King writes a pretty good "horror" story!!

Guys, i think Dave (Ivor) has done really well here as he is probably going to get villified by the lime green hate mob and judging by how these people act called alsorts now for actually standing up against these people, so can i just say that i am 100% behind Dave and the HGSA in support of Distancing themselves from this, no matter how many times the Mob tell us they have, i havent met 1 Giant or Town fan who is actually supporting anything these people are doing .

Keep up the good work fellas !!