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| Ferguson is playing well because he is playing in the back-row again, being allowed to work on an edge; where he is most effective. Not at prop.
I also feel that had Fa'alogo stayed for one more year and been put back in the second row we would have seen a different player, the player we saw briefly in 2010.
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| Quote ="the stella kid"Absolute rubbish. You seriously think a player thinks were he is on the contract front before he decides how hard he tries out on the pitch.
Players play 100 percent every game. Lack of performance is down to factors like injury and confidence or in the case of Ferguson been played out of position. Clubs are not stupid. Do you actually think if a player has a three year contact and he is dire for the first two and a half that playing well for the last six months is going to fool anyone from either the club or any potential future bidders.'"
i do feel players tend to suddenly try alot harder when contracts are due for renewal yes...seen it on many occasions for it not to be the case! playing for their contracts and livelihoods soon gives them a kick up the backside. give them all one year contracts, would soon have everyone on top form!
more interesting comments in today examiner...
we paid 20k to bradford for kopzchak as we spoke to him before we were allowed too.
and mason is on 41k at cas now, bit of a come down from 95k!!
was it fielden who said he he was nota top performer and never won anything? this could be heated if they play each other on sunday!
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| I have to say that the Giants are not coming out of this very well at all.
As someone who has been involved in a number of unfair dismissal claims i have some real sympathy for Mason and if the club are found to have done wrong then they have no one to blame but themselves.
In some ways it seems as if the club have dealt with some staffing issues in a pretty shabby way
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| Reading the latest goings on today my immediate thoughts were that we are going to lose this case......its coming across like a catalogue of bad decisions/errors from those in charge.
Got nothing against Mason for doing it, as it does seem like he has a damn good case here...
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"I have to say that the Giants are not coming out of this very well at all.
As someone who has been involved in a number of unfair dismissal claims i have some real sympathy for Mason and if the club are found to have done wrong then they have no one to blame but themselves.
In some ways it seems as if the club have dealt with some staffing issues in a pretty shabby way'"
how can you possibly say that when you dont know the full facts we know a little about this incident but dont know about what else has happened - and mason could very well have had verbal and written warnings in the past. I suspect his contract will probably include wording about not behaving in a manner bringing the club into disrepute etc etc,
If a picture of my naked rear was posted on social media I would also be sacked for gross misconduct. My contract requires me to behave in a professional manner.
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| Quote ="jools"how can you possibly say that when you dont know the full facts we know a little about this incident but dont know about what else has happened - and mason could very well have had verbal and written warnings in the past. I suspect his contract will probably include wording about not behaving in a manner bringing the club into disrepute etc etc,
If a picture of my naked rear was posted on social media I would also be sacked for gross misconduct. My contract requires me to behave in a professional manner.'"
Not got stuff like that floating about have you Jools??
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| Quote ="jools"how can you possibly say that when you dont know the full facts we know a little about this incident but dont know about what else has happened - and mason could very well have had verbal and written warnings in the past. I suspect his contract will probably include wording about not behaving in a manner bringing the club into disrepute etc etc,
If a picture of my naked rear was posted on social media I would also be sacked for gross misconduct. My contract requires me to behave in a professional manner.'"
We tapped up Kopczak and had to agree to a settlement to appease the RFL does that look good for the club ?
and as for the rest of your post which bit of my post which says
Quote [size=200if [/sizethe club are found to have done wrong then they have no one to blame but themselves'"
do you not understand
as for the mooning picture and the accounts given in court it seems as if the club were looking for a reason to get rid of Mason.
We were quite happy to keep Griffin after he clobbered a girl in a taxi and threatened to beat up another Giants player if the said players girlfriend gave evidence against him, bringing the club into disrepute was not such an issue there
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"We tapped up Kopczak and had to agree to a settlement to appease the RFL does that look good for the club ?
and as for the rest of your post which bit of my post which says
do you not understand
as for the mooning picture and the accounts given in court it seems as if the club were looking for a reason to get rid of Mason.
We were quite happy to keep Griffin after he clobbered a girl in a taxi and threatened to beat up another Giants player if the said players girlfriend gave evidence against him, bringing the club into disrepute was not such an issue there'"
At least masons solicitors are trying to make out they were...
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| Reading through it myself, It does seem like Mason and his team have a pretty solid case against you. The fact you had already sign CK - And had to pay a compensation fee for tapping him up too doesn't help you.
Could be a costly case.
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| Worst decision was to give him such a lucrative contract in the first place. I thought Thewlis was supposed to be a shrewd operator?
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| According to The Examiner Keith Mason has won his case
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| Quote ="LF13"Worst decision was to give him such a lucrative contract in the first place. I thought Thewlis was supposed to be a shrewd operator?'"
i agree, 95k a year for keith mason is a joke, no wonder they wanted to get out of that one!!
thewlis might end up getting the sack... the club has not come out of this well
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| Quote ="mh"According to The Examiner Keith Mason has won his case'"
[urlhttp://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/former-huddersfield-giants-prop-keith-5134291[/url
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| Quote ="wakeyrule"[urlhttp://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/former-huddersfield-giants-prop-keith-5134291[/url
Bye bye Thewlis?'"
saw it coming... we wanted rid, he was a bad egg.
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| How can such an average player get such a lucrative contract and then get a whopping pay off into the bargain too when the club come to their senses and realise what they've done?
Very poor management from the Giants
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| That £165k payout has to come out of the Giants cap over the lifetime of what would have been Masons contract.
If we were at 99.3% of salary cap there may have to be some big reductions this year and next to balance the books.
This is not on the same scale as the Bulls had with Iestyn but bad enough.
I dont expect us to be seeing anymore new players announced apart from Bailey and Broughton.
The legal advice the Giants got sounds pretty poor to me. On the basis of what i have read i thought that Mason would have had a good case ( i would have taken it on). To the let it go to court and all the embarrassment that has come out of that sounds like complete folly to me.
Whoever was responsible needs a firm ass kicking
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| Oh dear, someone cocked up big time within the Giants - doubt heads will roll but this is pretty serious letting it get to this point, surely someone must have clocked that what was happening was wrong.
On top of poor ticket sales, lack of crowds etc this is going to hurt us even more !
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| It beggars belief that Mason was ever paid that sort of money. And that reason for sacking him came straight of the Beano. Someone needs to be relieved of their duties. They are clearly not fit for their job.
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| As i have posted previously the rumor i have heard is that Lunt is going to the Rhinos for next season
Could that be now even more plausible?
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| Is everyone forgetting something......
LOD
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| I don't think LOD is relavent here jools. LOD had nothing to do with Mason's silly salary or wrongful dismissal.
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| Quote ="Baron Greenback"I don't think LOD is relavent here jools. LOD had nothing to do with Mason's silly salary or wrongful dismissal.'"
But he did free up roughly £120k of cap when he left.
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| Thewlis out and the Giants will thrive. Could be a silver lining to this if uncle Ken grasps the nettle
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"Thewlis out and the Giants will thrive. Could be a silver lining to this if uncle Ken grasps the nettle'"
Nice to see you back Mable.
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