Quote ="Top Saint"Could I point all you Giants fans to this thread. It makes very interesting reading and makes durham giant look a complete plonker for starting this thread. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=522444&tsmp=1342458047'" And this is the response i posted on your board Quote I can argue the point very validly and i am glad he has gone. I did not join in the bunting waving and getting the champagne out after the first few games. Our game against London was a killer. We won quite comfortably but got absolutely battered in the forwrds. I said at the time once we come up against a good team who are organised and have decent backs we will be knackered as our pack is featherweight. Every time one of our poster puts up the OPTA stats i have said we Have no go forward from our pack. I have been proved right. The worst thing is we still have a lightweight pack and will have the same problem until next season. Bear in mind that NB was the FIRST and ONLY giants coach to have a FULL SALARY CAP to work to as well as TRANSFER FEES to buy players when needed. If you look at the last few years how many teams were up to full salary cap so we would definitely have improved regardless. Brown had his strengths and improved elements of the team in terms of indavidual developments . He is a NO 2 not a first team coach. Most of those who are saying on our board he was good for the Giants have been around watching Huddersfield whilst were complete shiite. So for them a few good seasons where we did not lose 50 and 60 nill is a good achievement. I set my sights higher and have always said Silverware counts the rest is rubbish. Even Jon sharp got us to a CC final and a fifth place in the table but not many fans are lauding him. '"

Quote ="Top Saint"Could I point all you Giants fans to this thread. It makes very interesting reading and makes durham giant look a complete plonker for starting this thread. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=522444&tsmp=1342458047'" And this is the response i posted on your board Quote I can argue the point very validly and i am glad he has gone. I did not join in the bunting waving and getting the champagne out after the first few games. Our game against London was a killer. We won quite comfortably but got absolutely battered in the forwrds. I said at the time once we come up against a good team who are organised and have decent backs we will be knackered as our pack is featherweight. Every time one of our poster puts up the OPTA stats i have said we Have no go forward from our pack. I have been proved right. The worst thing is we still have a lightweight pack and will have the same problem until next season. Bear in mind that NB was the FIRST and ONLY giants coach to have a FULL SALARY CAP to work to as well as TRANSFER FEES to buy players when needed. If you look at the last few years how many teams were up to full salary cap so we would definitely have improved regardless. Brown had his strengths and improved elements of the team in terms of indavidual developments . He is a NO 2 not a first team coach. Most of those who are saying on our board he was good for the Giants have been around watching Huddersfield whilst were complete shiite. So for them a few good seasons where we did not lose 50 and 60 nill is a good achievement. I set my sights higher and have always said Silverware counts the rest is rubbish. Even Jon sharp got us to a CC final and a fifth place in the table but not many fans are lauding him. '"

I might disagree with the sentiment of the thread as I dont think its an unmitigated disaster but it has proved a good talking point, and as I said I am sure its been an appalling wasted of opportunity by Brown.


And the comment above re our pack is 100% on the money.

At the start of this season almost unanimously we were all saying we were light in the forwards - and were amazed at the success our light pack had but RL is, always has and always will be a game won and lost in the forwards and if we look at the very best teams they have big, powerful packs.

Moreover once Wigan showed our goal line sliding defence wasnt up to scratch every other team followed suit. It was blindlingly obvious to me that we needed to change, but not to Brown apparently.

Against Wire on Sunday we went to man on man marking in our red zone. And my god did it work - apart from some shocking individual errors they got nothing on our flanks.

i wonder what Ken Davy would say about the NB years

an unmitigated disaster



a wasted opportunity



our best four years since the 1950s and i really enjoyed it

I would say probably a combination of the bottom 2. I think all Giants fans should remember where you were 20 years ago and realise just how close to extinction you were. Nathan Brown is one of a number of coaches who have restored Hudds to their rightful place at the top of the game. You have had your best 4 years since the 50's and that should not be forgotten despite what has happened over the last 10 weeks.

disagree durham, dont think he has been a disaster

took us to the next level

great defence coach, developed unknown players and brough on the youngsters

just the right time to go now.

hope anderson can continue the good work he did but leave out the things he didnt do right and there was def a few of those!

think brearley has got it spot on for me.

Nathan Brown is not the only person who will have a say in the way Saints play. There are players on contracts at Saints that will be as long as Nathan's, there are also coaching staff who will remain long after he has gone.

I find the notion of Nathan Brown being an unmitigated disaster far more silly, than the notion that Nathan Brown will not move into Saints and change the club from top to bottom. Sports clubs are machines, there is a production line of players coming through and Nathan's initial impact will be on the 1st team players.

Granted by his 3rd year he may have made some changes throughout the structure of the club, but that will only have any impact in 4 or 5 years time as the current 14 - 15 year olds come through to play in the first team. The scope for him signing anyone else for next year is limited and given the state of contracts at Saints 2014 is where we will see more moves and more players that are genuine Nathan Brown type players coming in.

There have been many discussions about NB, since it was made know that he was coming to Saints. I don't expect a revolution next year. 2014 will be the time he can really ring the changes he wants.

Either you want Nb as your head coach or you want him as a member of some extended committee. what percentage of say will NB have? 25%?...42%?.....73%? Do tell.

Only one poster has said NB is a disaster. Feel free to reply further to his post. I have given a reasoned 'analysis' why NB has been okay. You have signed a sound assistant coach who as a player and coach has bottled it in far too many big games..

Sadly you are incapable of seeing the difference between a machine and a sports team. But lets run with it. Nathan is a very good formula 1 mechanic (assistant coach) but a 3rd rate driver (head coach).

do you think selecting Wheeler and Roby at prop would be smart? Or dropping shenton in at 13 is a smart move. I hope so because that is what tinkerer brown did at hudds?

Yeah,I very much agree with this.

As long as NB does not bag us the loyal few thousand fans when he moves to Saints he will always be a legend in my book.

He will have the say that a head coach has, but that is not 100% control, it never has been never will be, Huddersfield and Saints have both shown this year that players have elements of control. If you read some of Longy's comments on Saints this year you will see that the more experience Saints players had input with Daniel Anderson with regards to style of play. It would be unrealistic to suggest that a head coach will come in and make changes top to bottom in his first year as players have contracts that they can hold onto. There are players NB may not want, but he will have to work with them until they are out of contract.

ps Shenton?????

Well over the top to say NB has been an unmitigated disaster imo. Yes, he's done alot of things wrong, but he's also done alot of things right as well, let's not forget that. Those of us who have suffered the years of real pain of following Fartown can see he has taken us from being the whipping boys of SL to being what I would call "the best of the rest" ie better than most teams but still not genuine contenders for silverware.

FWIW though I do think he's stayed too long & the club was going backwards....not just the last few weeks but I have to say I feel he should've gone last season. Also, the fact he hasn't gone back to Oz but has jumped ship to Saints is poor form imo. All the turmoils of previous seasons were due to his "I'm off home....no I'm not" shenanigens & for him to then turn round & go to another SL club after all that is a bit off in my view.

Still he's done alot for Fartown though.

I think for the saints board their main worry should be the fact that at both clubs he has "lost" the dressing room in a big way. At st George he could perhaps been forgiven for being young and inexperienced and in a position where he was having to manage guys he had once played alongside.
Robbo said in the early years that brown was a breath of fresh air compared to sharp and the best coach he'd worked under- but clearly at the end the players were unhappy and rebelled against him.

How anyone can claim a coach who took over a mid table team and turned is into a well respected team contesting the top 4 each season and 2 cup semi's a first wembley appearance in 40 years,a team that has beaten leeds at headingley for the first time in 50 years,then to do it in succesive seasons,a coach who has brought through some young quality british and local talent and had us playing some cracking stuff and turned is into sometimes feared opponents for the top clubs,can be considered a disaster is beyond me, were all entitled to our opinions and i respect that,yes he's done some bad things and got things wrong but i prefer to see the bigger picture,it's sad that it ended like this but i certainly appreciate what he's done for us over the last 4 years

Nathan Brown has been very good for giants even after last seasons will he go or will he stay upset they still finished in good position, ok didn't win anything but still creditable finish. I'll take what he's done for giants and thank him. I've followed Huddersfield since I was old enough to be lifted over turnstile at Fartown. So the last four years for me have been good ones. Also as someone pointed out possibly on another thread about being the first season able to spend up to the salary cap I think that the first time Giants had that ability was the season John Sharp went.

Spot on.

Cant disagree with any of that!

Brown has been good for the club and if we had won on Sun then these type of headlines would not have appeared and we would all be saying that the challenge cup was the one we all really wanted.

Yes he has made mistakes - as we all do - but you can never doubt the fact he did what he felt was the right thing to do. I wish him all the best at the Saints and it will be interesting to see how the Giants react to a NB Saints team.