spot on FFL, i liked both Patrick and Lunt, but they wanted out from the club who gave them their big break in the top level of the game
obviously if we keep them both and are both commited to the club i will welcome them back

as it stands, they aren't committed to our cause so all i say is good luck to them both.

Patrick... no thanks.

Taai, think we need to do all we can to keep him, he can play prop and 2nd row.

So can larne ....



Agree- taai is worth keeping. BUT not if the money isn't right. If his agent is being greedy let some other team pay over the odds.

patrick not comin back and hughes not bein kept

As well as Mullally, so yes we would be very short, I would also like to see a real effort to land a quality halfback, Never seems to get onto the agenda though.

Could I ask why you feel lunt feels the grass isn't greener? Are you going solely off HKRs league position?? Or do you know something hull kr fans don't because as far as we are aware he is very happy

i think what FFL is alluding to is for the last 3 years, Lunt has seemingly wanted away from Huddersfield to win more medals,his ultimate dream is to play in the NRL i think we all know that, i think most of us see it that Lunt thought by staying with us then that would dash his hopes of playing in finals every year thus, raising his proflile more in order for his dream to happen.

it could also be argued that he'd gone stale here and thought a change would do him good and improve his game.

most giants fans had the belief for a while that he was looking for a move away and that he wasn't giving his all for us.
i've nothing against the guy at all, but it seems in his desperation to leave for bigger and better things, that his game has suffered over the last 18 months and he's nowhere near the player he was.

Ok thanks for the reply

This. All we ever do is sign forwards.
We need a good half back to complement Brough .

We got one last year....


Half backs are few, quality half backs are even fewer.

Hull KR have done OK with halfbacks recently. Blake Green, Campese, Kelly. Maybe we should ask them if they can find us one?

I don't get the fuss over a new halfback. What's wrong with the ones we've got. Ellis & Wood haven't been given a chance by a lot of our fans.
We are sitting in 4th. We could be second come Friday.
As long as they play well and the rest of the team we will have a team that can win something. A new half back would give us an equal chance.

i think we are OK, when things are going OK

the problem , or the fear, that our fans have is that, when Brough isn't on form there is no one to step up and play that role, Ellis, Wood, Robinson, are good back ups, but they don't have the influence that Danny Brough has, but then again, which player in super league does?

when Brough plays well and the team plays well we don't really notice it, but then whats to say if we did bring another top quality half in that it would work?

i said to Daz, before, we don't know if Ellis, or Wood can step up in the absence of Brough because they've never had to

This.

Swopsies for Lunt?

Patrick the big softie at prop, no thanks. He's burned his bridges and wasnt sad to see him go in anycase, bet wigan wish they didnt bother!

i still think we wont see any more signings after Rapira and Hinchcliffe.

may be the odd change regarding taai and hughes with their situations but cant see any big moves now

the club doesnt like to make wholesale changes and those two signings wont have come cheap at all.

we are currently 4th which is brilliant... why the need for more signings. Hull kr for one prove that it doesnt work all the chopping and changing

Hughes to Warrington
Hansen to leave Salford
Chase to leave Salford
Paterson to Leigh
Taai to RU

We have needed a quality halfback for a decade, Brown was the last one to make any sort of fist of it and he played much of his time at centre, He is making a better job of it at Widnes, probably because he is the head honcho there.

I wouldn't say that a new halfback would win anything for us this season, I was thinking of the future( as with the other new signings )

The three Players you mention are all capable of a good game ( as Wood had on Sunday ) But we need another player who turns it on week in week out (Like Brough ) or as close as poss. Robbo is well past his best and was discounted as a halfback some time ago in favour of being Hooker. Hooker is taken care of for the near future.
Cas let Ellis go at a time when they were losing half their players, and he struggled to get a place in their side, so why would he be the man we need. Maybe he just didn't want to play for Cas any longer and wanted more game time, Well we all know what we think of players like that.
Wood we let go to Wakey as surplus to needs, or to make room for better, We then get him back a couple or years later, Why ? are we thinking Wakey have made him into a better player , or did we sign him as just back up .

Just about everything goes through Brough, and if he has a poor game we just don't score points, Ellis has the right Idea I can see the thinking behind him playing, but he just doesn't have the pace of the mark and the skill level for one of the main roles in the side.

I am not a stats person to be honest but a glance at the table shows that the reason we are 4th is the Defence is the best in the league, The attack on the other hand is distinctly mediocre and is almost totally reliant on Brough, Shut him down , or wind him up and we are already half beaten. We have no plan B.
That's why we need a halfback. We will get where we get this season, hopefully all the way, but we need to be a bit more forward looking.

I don't agree with this "no plan B" We certainly have had and we are currently well past plan B!!!!!
Bailey was signed as a ball playing LF to help with our attack - hes been injured so we changed tack and put a tackling LF in.
Grix was out for first part of season so we got Connor in at FB, fairly inexperienced player, Grix came back in and helped the attack. Grix out again and we get a rookie in who isn't expected to take the burden.
Ellis signed as half back to play alongside brough and to help with kicking - that didn't happen- woody had a great stint at 7, or was it robbo...
Started the season with Lunt at Hooker -handling hooker- he rocked the boat so we played woody, robbo as running hookers, then leeming comes in as a handling hooker again, ellis at hooker.......
taai at second row, prop and LF, ferres at LF, wardle at second row ................................. im really not sure where you get this idea we have no plan B!!!!!!!!!!!!




in fact looking at all those changes Im surprised we aren't in the bottom of the table

As it stands I think we are one of the lucky teams.

We have one quality half back. Something a lot of teams don't have.

I would say Catalan are the only team with two good half backs in Carney and Dureau. However they are both injury prone and very rarely play together.

Blair and Kelly can't be all that. Look where they are in the league.

As Jools said quality available half backs are few and far between these days.

And if we could sign one would they be prepared to play second fiddle to Broughy when it comes to set plays, kicking etc because I'll tell you now Broughy will not want the work load sharing. He thrives on it.

I would like to see Ellis given a good run at HB. I think he'll come good.

Would you swap Brough and say Ellis for any of the following partnerships...

Saints - Walsh & Burns
Leeds - Sutcliffe & McGuire
Wigan - Smith & Williams
Wire - O'Brien & Myler

I wouldn't and these are the big 4 that have dominated the game trophy wise over the past 20 years!

I'm not saying there hasn't been attempts to change the game plan, whether we agree with them or not, Sometimes injuries make them unavoidable.

The point I was trying to make was, we have no plan B as a backup, or to compliment Brough.

I wouldn't swap Brough for any of them, I'm as big a fan as he has got. but as you say these 4 along with Bradford have dominated the Trophies in Super league, and Leeds ,Wigan, Saints along with Cas ,Catalan and HKR have all scored better than we have, so what are you saying, they have poor Halves, They must be doing something right. Warrington and Widnes have scored the same , so we are far from great in the points for column.

All I,m saying is year after year we sign big name forwards, there have been a long line of them. ( and yes we did try and sign Carney ) but by and large halves don't figure high on our wanted list.

End of the day It's all opinions but there are 2/3 players on your list that I would swap a few of ours for.

I'm talking about half back pairings though?

Our lack of points scored cannot be blamed on our halves.
What about our centres who don't pass to our wingers when they should?
What about our forwards who have dropped the ball over the line?
These are just examples. There are a million and one reasons as to why other teams have scored more.
I think to suggest our lack of points scored is down to not having a better partner for Brough is wrong.
It's down to how the whole team plays.

In 2013 we were the top points scorers with the best defence. Who did we have at 7?

As it stands now we have the 2nd best points difference in the league behind leeds. That's good enough for me.

Yes , and that's fair enough, both you and me can make the stats say what we want them too.

If you are happy with Robbo , Ellis or Wood as the way forward, you are happy. Myself I don't see them as the future. But it's each to their own, as it should be.