Last season we scraped 8th place and avoided the playoff's
, Year before we avoided the MPG by a lick of paint, if we manage something similar this season "which looks doubtful" do you really see anything changing.

I'm not having a go at you here I'm genuinely interested in what you think will change, do you see any light at the end of the tunnel, I'm not sure i can even see the tunnel.

We are once again looking for someone to save us, nothing changed there, so is it just keep stumbling along the bottom till it's our turn.

its a cyclical thing... we are in a hole at moment but the tide may turn in a few years once we have got rid of a bad batch of players that are contracted... got to ride the storm!

It's a fair enough call, If we have not fallen too far.

we have been in worse positions in the past.

Go Thorman, please for God's sake go. He is the last remnant of a failed, dysfunctional coaching set up, starting with Paul Anderson and continued by two Australian comedians.
Is there any wonder we have the worst gate in Super League with this style of 'five drives and a kick rugby' on display? Some players looking as though they aren't allowed to handle the ball- Rugby League is not rocket science. Something is to be said of the previous coaching set ups when some players that have been with the club 10 years, still can't pass the ball properly.
From top to bottom there needs to be a major overhaul of the club, and quick! We need a new broom with a sharp set of loppers to get rid of the dead wood- and there's plenty to go at.

we dont get the worst gate in super league.

If you are going to troll at least try to be a bit smartabout it and post a few “normal” posts first.

Not bad for a first post I`ll grant yer . Keep trying and eventually you might just use your English language degree to compose something that is worth reading Till then do us a favour and do your practice on the pre-school forum eh?

expect woolford to be here in time for the widnes home game

a timely boost for the club, hopefully get some bodies back and upto full fitness and a change in our fortunes....

no sweat then ..........plenty o time to assess the players at his disposal!
Names in a hat then eh?

I do hope not. Woodford has a similar track record to stone- and that didn’t work out too well.
A different approach is surely needed by the club.

You need an experienced coach that can bring in some discipline and sort out the woeful recruitment policy.

Signing failures from the Bulls and other clubs has got you where you are.

I'm not sure what this Aussie has done to be any more suitable than Thorman.

tony smith was an unknown aussie too he did ok for us

nathan brown did ok too but he had been a head coach of an nrl ... so had rick stone

whoever it is i will give them a chance before slating the appointment.. some will never see a face fit im afraid though

A supermarket that's going down the tubes doesn't save it'self by keep sacking the floor manager and changing the till girls.

No it either is bought out and it’s assets stripped or It appoints someone who has a track record of turning things round.

Correct jools and the second of those would be preferable but it doesn't look like happening anytime soon,

Does anyone know offhand how many coaches we have had in the Super league era, just as a matter of interest.

From memory

Garry Schofield
Mal Reilly
John Kear
Tony Smith
Jon Sharp
Nathan Brown
Paul Anderson
Rick Stone

What about Fairburn and Van develt ? and didn't we have one called Ferris or something similar, were they all before 1996. Brian Lockwood ?

The question was Superleague era, and it was Schofield who was coach during our first season.

I can’t remember much before Alex Murphy. Was it Nigel Stephenson then Barry Seabourne? Maurice Bamford was coach for a while when I was very little.

After Murphy I remember Brendan Finn, who I think died of a heart attack, but I’m not sure he was the first team coach. Then George Fairbairn who was coach in that first season in the new stadium, Darrell van de Velde, and Steve Ferres. Then onto Schoey and the list above.

All from memory - I might get round to looking it up.

Terry Flanagan was the coach when Alex Murphy was the Manager. IIRC.

No he doesn't.
Woolford has 3 or 4 years of coaching a country side and a couple of years of NRL reserve grade.
Stone had been very successful in the Qld cup, NSW cup, been assistant coach to Brian Smith, Michael Hagan and Wayne Bennett, coached Fiji to a top 4 finish in the WC, as well as 2 stints as an NRL coach.
Woolford has literally a tenth of Stone's resume.

Murphy was the boss. I doubt he'd have had it any other way

Terry Flanagan is a remarkable man. A hell of a life story to him. One of those types who gets things done.

stone did ok at the giants, when all said and done he came in and saved us from the drop in his first half season then first full season got us in the top 8.

this season didnt start well and he paid for it but look at us since he has gone!! worse.

woolford has the same kind of task as stone, save us from the drop and improve again next season... we shall wait and see

Rick Stone achieved everything he was asked to as head coach of the giants, to stave off relegation in his 1st year then make the top 8 in his 2nd. He did both so anyone saying he did a bad job is wrong.

Stone had us playing a predictable and unexciting brand of Rugby, uninspiring perhaps but in the main competitive. Thorman has been hopeless, an absolutely disastrous spell in charge, showing Stone was not quite so bad, there was at least a structured approach under his tenure. The decision to allow several games under Thorman really has placed the club in jeopardy. The new coach has a real challenge due to that awful decision.