The one he missed I presume you mean the Wilkin try. It was a misunderstanding but was just as muc Robinsons fault. Which one was the try from his missed tacke? As for not backing himself. If he had gone on the outside he would have been tackled into touch.

Time for a clear out?

How does this work half way through a season. Tell me who you would get rid of and who they would be replaced with?

At the risk of repeating myself we need to make some changes.

Danny Brough is a great player but a captain he ain't. He does not react well to adversity. He complains to the ref and Eorl has now started following suit.

We are slow starters. Why? Because (IMO) we know we are a decent side but aren't clever enough to realize we have to WORK HARD to win regardless of our ability. We are consistently out-enthused early doors to both halves and then play catch up.

PA should be seeing this. It has gone on long enough now. We have fallen in love with ourselves and our lack of leadership is stopping us from learning these lessons.

Short term I would put Bailey in at 13 and give him the armband. Let him talk to the ref and guide the team on the park. For games whee we need a big pack put him to 6 and DB to 7. We need someone to lead us.

Further to that, we need the coach and the players to have an epiphany. There is no use turning up at 20% and then switching on when we are three scores down. If we turn up like we did tonight, which we have turned up like so often this year, all it says to me is that we aren't playing for the coach.

They are better than this. I'd rather watch a team with less talent try hard, like 4-5 years ago. At least I could say we tried our best. Grix tonight didn't even try to get out of the in-goal area. He didn't even try. the game had gone but that isn't the point. He had no pride to even try and he's not alone.

This can't go on.

A very frustrating game that was. Awful conditions and a pathetic refereeing performance for both teams.

Result doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but I think the performance needs to improve dramatically because we are playing boring rugby. We are lacking fight and enthusiasm.

Thought Blackmore was very good!
Koppy was very good today.
Kicking game was rubbish! The tactics seemed good until Saints scored.
Crabtree looks like he needs a rest...
Robbo wasn't really used.
Have I missed something with Baily and Lawrence having time off playing?
Brough has to start setting an example and using his captaincy because there's times we look abit lost.

We all know we are better than this so I'm hoping it was just one of them days.

Swap some of the names and you could be a Saints poster. I'm not here stirring, but I read that and thought, that's what we were all saying last week. Hence why Mose came out tonight with a bit of the mongrel about him.

I'm starting to wonder if this is the fault that runs through SL, apart from one or 2 teams (Leeds Wigan this year), every year there are half decent sides out there but they have a culture of coasting. Last year Huddersfield proved to be contenders and from what you have posted feel that the job is half done.

Saints too have weeks were we are great then a period of being the big time charlies. No one putting a hand up to do the dirty work

I know injuries play their part, but as SL fans, that intensity does not seem to stay consistently high unless you are the top top team.

Paul Anderson ... 'We just didn't turn up ' !!!!!

Unfortunately I did give us a tip next time Paul and I'll stay at home too and save my £50 for something I might enjoy and get some value for my money !!!

STILL ON THE BUS!!!!.. are you sure they got on the bus to start with lol

Thought Brough, Robinson and Lunt your pivotal players were below par last night.
Silverwood was very poor for both teams last night and never felt an 18 point lead was enough until the last 15 mins.
Wigan next game up hope your team respond to the next challenge.

The match was lost in the first 12 minutes - 18 points down.
Kopczak, Robinson and Lunt all gifted tries with pathetic defence in that period.
Someone said Koppy did well - I find that astonishing, he can be a very good prop, but he looks way off the pace. I would recall Kaufusi and give
Koppy a good rest.
Robbo is another that needs a rest', again he can be a very good player but is currently awful. As well as being directly responsible for 2 Saints tries his passing last night was consistently behind the man.
Just checked stats on SL website - pathetic. Koppy 7 carries for 46, given the minutes he played that is just lazy.
As a pack we only made Masoe make 12 tackles, that confirms my feeling that we didn't even try to dominate a Saints pack weakened by injuries.
Only Blackmore has decent stats.

Lawrence should be one of the 1st names on the team sheet imo. Yes he doesnt offer much attack but his defence is much needed in the team at the moment. Bailey needs to be in there somewhere too.
koppy , eorl , robbo , chan , leroy all look like they need a good rest.
I think we look better with wood and brough @ 6/7
We deffo miss that enforcer we had , LOD then fielden our props are far too nice and dont run there weight , only one who runs hard on a consistent basis is LP .

IMO we require another 2 props for some grunt up field. The lack of forward power is reflecting in broughy game, hes not getting the time and space any more to dictate the game which leads to throwing his toys at the pram .
We deffo lack a plan b , our pivot players are seriously under performing however there not been given much of a chance!!!

Bailey looks good! Breaks the line a fair bit and looking to offload! Also seems to be a mild mannered bloke who would be suited to be a captain!

Kafusi and Jonson! Look to offer a lot kafusi running hard being very physical! Jonson running hard similar to Patrick! In for eorl and koppy! Both look tired and need to know pressure is on for not performing

Wingers are sound all four can come in offer something a little different but all good!

Centres joe is bloody ace! Great lad does everything asked of him and more Leroy a little hit and miss but worth having him just needs to release the winger a bit more

Halves brough is still one of the best out there but needs to have a winning pack infront of him and control his emotions! Robbo hard one really do we put him at hooker with wood in the halves or stick with them?

I would try

1. Grix
2. Jerry / Blackmore
3. Leroy
4. Joe
5. Broughton/ Murphy
6. Brough
7. Bailey
8. Patrick
9. Lunt
10. Ferres
11. Kafusi
12. Mulally
13. Bruno

14. Eorl
15. Taai
16. Robbo
17. Johnson

I actually thought Eorl did very well last night. Amazing how different people see things.

I'm going to write to the RFL and ask them when the rule for a try changed from 'downward pressure' to 'simply having some contact with the ball', though I suppose it says in the rules 'at least sideways pressure'.

And shouldn't we have had a penalty when they scored under the posts in the 2nd half? I mean, didn't their 14th man obstruct one of our defenders?

The games this season where we've been heavily down in the forst quarter all have one thing in common. Bruno - or rather a lack of Bruno. Without him the middle is wide open. It shouldn't be but it is.

And competition for places? The only time we seem to see it iswith the wingers - oh, and Bruno. It's all very well saying that youngsters have to be blooded, but both Wigan and Saints have had to throw their 'kids' into games because of injuries. Perhaps if we'd had a few more injuries and youngsters coming in fighting for their SL careers, well... [Not wanting players to be injured, perhaps 'playing badly' could be used as an excuse for not playing a 'star'?

I believe I said it. I'm not one for stats or anything like that but watching the game Koppy didn't just surrender or flop when coming into contact with the opposition. He broke the line again which he has done a few times recently. He got back into the line quicker than he has done recently. He looked eager which is all we can ask for. He's not at his best yet but stood out for me in a team were most lacked any enthusiasm.
He's been getting abit of stick recently... He's not blind to it so to show fight is encouraging.

Well, considering it was given as a penalty try, I assume their reply would be that the amount of downward pressure is irrelevant...



Why should Saints be penalised when THEY did nothing wrong? I agree it was very poor from Silverwood but it was HIS mistake. You can't penalise Saints for a mistake made by the ref.

Thought your lads were poor last night, which came as a surprise to me because I was expecting a hammering. Danny Brough is great on his day but god, does he waste a lot of his energy whinging. Anyway, hope you guys find your form soon, as you were great to watch last year. Next week would be a great time to find it

me too put blackmore over for two tries

did great to track back and catch dawson too

thought crabtree played well lastnight too.

the journey over was a shocker on the m62

I was expecting a penalty try, but did not see any reference to one being given, hence my dissatisfaction with an 'ordinary' try being awarded.

I was also under the impression that if the player with the ball came into contact with an official, the game was stopped. I'm sure that your player did touch Silverwood.

we were awful just awful, we were lacking from the first minute and the game was over after 15 minutes, we did well to get back into it at 18-6 then self destructed again.. i might be in the minority here.. but when leroy tried the flick on to blackmore which led to their 4th try i thought he should have just caught the ball,taken the tackle and make saints start a set from near their own line, something they didn't do much..instead of building pressure we try and force the pass/offloads trying to score all the time.
we are beaten when the opposition do the basics right and we don't, we look to try and score every set rather than just build pressure and turn the opposition round.
last night we were given the run around by wellens and wilkin!
PA said we lacked intensity from the off and that they responded to some harsh words last week, maybe we could try that?
rather than just taking it easy and hoping things will go our way, i can't remember too many games this season when we have come out and forced the opposition onto the back foot, it's the other way round and it's the one thing thats letting us down at the moment.

The video ref announced it when he gave the decision.
And not sure on the ruling of that one, and not sure whether he did actually touch Silverwood or not. I thought he didn't, but rather just hit the gap.

I posted after the London game and below was your response to me.

the stella kid wrote:
You do spout some absolute negative rubbish. The giants have won four on the bounce but according to you there is no effort.
You mention the Bradford game.Remind me what score that was. I could carry on but I won't because you post just makes me so angry.


sorry to upset ya fella but im not for a minute gonna pretend im happy with how we are going this season. I stick by what I said, Bradford next then 3 tough games in Wigan, Saints and Leeds and if we put the same effort we have against Widnes and Catalans to name 2 we wont get many wins. That is my opinion and im bloody angry too with what I feel is a lack of urgency and enthusiasm so far this season. We won the League last year by putting the hardwork in and have kept the same squad, Wire and Wigan have both lost top top.players and are weaker for it. We should have kicked on from.last season and it hasnt happened. Sorry but ask around and reckon majority agree we not where we should be.

Friday was very poor I agree. what is needed now is a positive response against Wigan.

Do you think that Kafusi and Bailey should have been given more opportunity to gel before being dropped/shipped out? I know they've been training with the boys etc. but training matches aren't a full blooded Super League game...?

I don't think in Kafusi's case he was shipped out because of the team play part of the game. He couldn't get back into the line after making a tackle quick enough. He wasn't needed for us at that point. If he comes back like Mullally did we are in for a treat.
I don't think Anderson has decided his first team yet tbh. Too much competition.
It almost excites me for the back end of the season if we aren't injury ridden.

bring kaufusi back i think, or is anderson just feeling sorry for the bulls ..his former employer?

does anyone play for our link up club batley bulldogs?!

anderson clearly does not like offloads, are the Giants becoming boring under him?

We are 8th highest team for offloads ant not that far from the top.
The three teams at the bottom are miles behind so are defiantly been coached not to offload are Widnes,London and Wigan.
So not doing Wigan any harm to not be offloading