Anyone on here who was at this meeting with HTSA ???? if so what was said and why was it kept so quiet???? The DATM fan site which goes hand in hand with HTSA orchestrated the latest witch hunt against Ken and are very vociferous in their condemnation of Ken the team and it's followers.
I do hope we're not thinking climbing into bed with this backstabbing brigade after their condemnation of everything rugby!

Oh and by the way i support both clubs, but i don't and won't support people with personnel vendettas, and the witch hunts which are going on at the moment by mindless idiot football fans.

Taken from the examiner

CONGRATULATIONS to the Giants on a winning start to their new season!

Yes, this is the column for the Huddersfield Town Supporters’ Association – we’re trying to signal a sense of co-operation with our fellow supporters.

Indeed, there are fans who follow both Town and the Giants with equal passion.

There’s even a close similarity between the names of the two independent supporter groups, so our counterparts are simply Huddersfield Giants Supporters’ Association, and representatives of the HTSA and the HGSA met recently to exchange views about common issues surrounding the use of the shared stadium.

It was also an opportunity for HTSA to stress that the campaign for the return of the stadium shares to their rightful place is NOT a campaign against the Giants or their fans.

In the future that may even become a shared objective as well, but for the present the only message is that HTSA hopes to foster a closer relationship between the two sets of supporters and we’re looking at ways to do that with joint social events.

The campaign continues and that’s a commitment that will not stop until the shares are back where they belong

I note that htsa have now tried including Huddersfield Giants supporters in sharing their concern over the share issue.

Speaking on our behalf now. Nice.

When you look back historically at the myopic, ill-informed bile that has been directed at Ken Davy and how he has been treated by some HTFC fans and some of the stuff they've come out with it would be no surprise to me if he plain refused to enter into any kind of dialogue with them.

Well the HTSA don't represent me. They haven't asked for my views and trying to group me in with their 'concern' or with them in any form whatsoever is a rather large assumption on their part. But hey, making large assumptions based on very little indeed is nothing new to these people.

And for the record, I also support HTFC.

Me either.



They can go & find someone else to join their pitchfork-wielding mob.

When they started their hate campaign against Ken Davy, they forfeited any sympathetic consideration from me.

The meeting between the committee of the Supporters Association and Town's SA committee was fixed up long before the share issue became a concern and was at our request.

It was a meeting to see how both sets of supporters could be both rivals and friends.

It was a meeting between Huddersfield people to see how we could work together to promote rugby, football, sport, and friendship.

It was a meeting designed to foster good relations.

Right at the very end the Town side brought up the share issue. This was after Ken had proposed to put 'his' 60% into a trust. The town people said that this seemed a good proposal. Ken's offer, HTSA in agreement - who's climbing in bed with whom? AT NO TIME WAS THERE ANY SUGGESTION, LET ALONE COMMITMENT, FOR ANY GIANT'S FAN TO BECOME INVOLVED OR EMBROILED WITH HTSA'S VINDICTIVE CAMPAIGN AGAINST KEN.

HGSA committee met with the Giants' Directors yesterday evening and were congratulated on showing initiative for trying to bring two sets of supporters together for the sake of sport and the town. Ken thought that it had been a brilliant move.

If anyone would like to chat with me about any of this I shall be in Turnbridge on Sunday from noon until 1 and then with the HGSA promotion team outside the ground.

Well HTSA are doing their best to utilize the meeting between themselves and HGSA to suit their own agenda. Quote ="HTSA on DATM"HTSA Chairman, Stephen King first emailed Ken Davy on 26th January 2012 to request for him to disclose in FULL the February 2010 agreement. As of 17:30 today, there have been no replies or acknowledgements to the original email or numerous reminders we have sent Mr Davy. Obviously, the silence is not enhancing Mr Davy’s reputation and fans of both the Giants & Town & the public of Kirklees are beginning to question why there have been no replies or acknowledgements. HTSA would again suggest in the strongest possible terms that people email Ken Davy to ask him politely, without offence when he will be replying to HTSA’s request. PLEASE NOTE – THIS IS NOT A HATE CAMPAIGN, THERE IS NO VENDETTA, WE ARE TOWN FANS, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. Ken Davy’s email address is k.davy@simplybiz.co.uk Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/index ... z1m16EaymN'" downatthemac.proboards.com/index ... read=64948 This is not a hate campaign, there is no vendetta! Black is actually white and beef comes from pigeons too.

Well HTSA are doing their best to utilize the meeting between themselves and HGSA to suit their own agenda. Quote ="HTSA on DATM"HTSA Chairman, Stephen King first emailed Ken Davy on 26th January 2012 to request for him to disclose in FULL the February 2010 agreement. As of 17:30 today, there have been no replies or acknowledgements to the original email or numerous reminders we have sent Mr Davy. Obviously, the silence is not enhancing Mr Davy’s reputation and fans of both the Giants & Town & the public of Kirklees are beginning to question why there have been no replies or acknowledgements. HTSA would again suggest in the strongest possible terms that people email Ken Davy to ask him politely, without offence when he will be replying to HTSA’s request. PLEASE NOTE – THIS IS NOT A HATE CAMPAIGN, THERE IS NO VENDETTA, WE ARE TOWN FANS, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT. Ken Davy’s email address is k.davy@simplybiz.co.uk Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/index ... z1m16EaymN'" downatthemac.proboards.com/index ... read=64948 This is not a hate campaign, there is no vendetta! Black is actually white and beef comes from pigeons too.

"...fans of both the Giants & Town..."


Which Giants fans? What gives them the right to put that statement forward? Based on what evidence?

It's dirty tricks like this which are getting my back up. HTSA does not represent the views of the wider community as far as I am aware, they just serve their own petty hate-fuelled agenda. Spin City.

They're trying to get whoever they can to to support their campaign yet I know it's a tiny minority of Town fans they actually represent as the rest aren't bothered nor like the actions of those behind this campaign. They're desperate, they won't tell of the fact many of their tshirts were frowned upon and those handing them out found it hard to do so only in two places were there actual demand for them and even then it was kids who would wear anything if it meant it was cool for that moment! I mean to see many lime green queueing for food when they're supposed to be boycotting the food outlets was comical!!

Also when have they ever published the truth?? their history is blotted with ill informed "facts"! When I read that in the paper I just thought more rubbish from them! They're becoming like the boy who cried wolf the more they tell the less people will believe!!

Ken Davy will quite rightly ignore them and they will continue to dig their own hole!!!

Sounds like a cosy meeting, did they bring along the Hitler/Davy video clip to show you or distribute any other of the garbage and drivel the HTSA promote/support through the DATM web site. What next ? are we going to have that "man with the personnel vendetta" Mids doing the half time draw or better still hows about "an evening with" . I'm astounded that at this moment in time any Fartown group has opened any sort of dialogue with a group that is openly carrying out a witch hunt and a nasty, venomous smear campaign against Ken, Fartown supporters and rugby in general on a website where anything anti Ken/rugby is encouraged and anybody remotely seen to have their own opinions/views is ridiculed.

[size=150I hope Ken gets the rousing reception he deserves when he takes his seat on sunday. [/size

What I think of HTSA, DATM and the leaders of this malicious campaign against Ken can't be put on this forum {unlike DATM} so whilst this campaign is ongoing can I suggest you don't conduct any more coffee evenings with these people.
I personally hope Ken sues the lot of them for every penny they've got

Have to say Ivor i feel uncomfortable about meetings with the HTSA.
They seem happy to be using a two pronged approach with the cosy moderate we are all in this together campaign and the vicious anti Davy brigade. ( ballot box and Armalite comes to mind)

The press release or statement or whatever quoted by Danril

the =#FF0000Giants & Town & the public of Kirklees are beginning to question why there have been no replies or acknowledgements.

suggests that they are manipulating your good intentions for their own political ends.

Talk to them by all means but do not let them use you as a stick or a trojan horse to support their campaign.

It would be better to say you will only talk to them if they suspend their public campaigns against Ken.

I have to say that people feel very strongly about this and it runs the risk of undermining attempts to build the HGSA.

Spot on mate.....no matter how many time they tell us its not :
A vendetta
A witch hunt
nothing to do with the rugby/giants fans

its plain to see just by reading what these people type that it is clearly just that !!
The fact they've put Ken's email address on the site and encouraged people to 'politely ask him to answer their queries' or however they've worded it makes me 100% more determined to keep my beloved rugby club and the people involved in my club as far away from these people as possible....sorry if that offends any town fans, although i do know the ones i speak to - on here and personally are disgusted and ashamed of this campaign of hate and their determination to hunt down and and burn our great chairman .
I for one will NEVER EVER be associated with this .

All a bit too hush hush for me Dave Calverley and HGSA have always been quick to use this forum and its OWN WEBSITE to promote events and meetings so why the silence on this subject ? If we want to find out what went on we have to trail down to Turnbridge WMC and ask him personally before he goes off to promote HGSA around the stadium. At the moment only a small % of supporters attending tomorrows game will know this meeting took place which is probably a good thing otherwise my advice would be to stay in the warmth of Turnbridge WMC and not to waste their time and effort on the back of bad PR. We know that HTSA have their own agenda and don't represent the views of town fans and it looks like HGSA are following suite

Check out the [url=http://www.giantssupporters.co.uk/Events/Calendar_2012.html2012 Calendar[/url and you will see that a proposed joint meeting of the two supporters groups has been out in the open for quite a while.

The meeting was by a sub-committee of our committee and has not reported back to the full committee yet.

If you check our homepage you will see that if you want a copy of our committee meetings' minutes all you have to do is ask.

As far as using this forum [& the other two to promote our events, well, we are a supporters organisation and what better way to promote a supporters organisation than to publicise events where supporters congregate, ie this forum.

'Quick to use its OWN WEBSITE to promote events and meetings' - huh? So a group which has its own website shouldn't use it to promote itself???

Let me unreservedly apologise to one and all if our well-intentioned get-together has offended. As I have previously stated that was not the case. It was designed as a bridge building exercise. People who know me know my views about Ken and what he has done for the club. And if anyone thinks that I have gone out to purposely harm the club then I'm lost for words.

Didn't see this coffee evening advertised anywhere on this forum, I think that however well intentioned your coffee evening with the Anti Giant/Ken brigade was, it shouldn't have taken place, have you chosen to ignore the garbage and bile this mob have been promoting and encouraging on the "fan site". If anything, i feel that on behalf of Fartown supporters you should be contacting the examiner and distancing yourself from everything this so called supporters group represents

I think the suggestion is that you have been dumb rather than malign.

[uWhy do you think HTSA have publicised your meeting in the Examiner?[/u (why not a joint leter if such a thing were needed?)

[uWhy do you think the letter focussed on the stadium and not the many other things you must have discussed?[/u (Despite the stadium issue only arising at the end of your meeting)

[uWhy do you think the letter emphasises not being anti Giants or anti giants supporter but does not have the maturity to say HTSA are not anti Ken?[/u (It is a pernicious attempt to isolate Ken. It is a politics for dummies ploy and you appear to have been stitched up like a kipper)

[uDo you think HTSA are pleased to they could write a letter to the paper with all this baloney about the stadium shares going 'where they belong' while cuddling up with Giants supporters?[/u (Another politics for dummies ploy - using infered support)


I assume the Giants supporters association have already written to the Examiner making it clear that:

1. They support KD 100%

2. That HTSA has misrepresented the content of the meeting

3. That the meeting with HTSA should not be interpreted as support for the vindictive campaign by a minority of Huddersfield town supporters aimed at KD

4. That the stadium is where it belongs, with the person who bought it. And if Dean Hoyle wants to buy the stadium shares he should pay a price that KD is willing to sell for.

5. That being a supporter is about passion but it is also about friendship, decency and respecting the rules. Those who consistently misrepresent the facts, hurl abuse and organise bile filled campaigns have stopped being a community and become a mob.

Please be good enough to let us know when your letter is published i will get a copy of the Examiner.

I think that some posters on here are reading a bit too much into this `meeting` with htsa, how many on here are ACTUALLY memebers of hgsa?, i`ll be `trailing`down to turnbridge and seeing dave etc myself to pay for my membership, the hgsa is trying to grow and will need ALL giants supporters to get behind them, the htsa are just trying to make it look like they represent all huddersfield fans but are way out of touch with giants fans, lets just give hgsa a chance and every one join up then you can influence the way they go forward NOT by back biting on here.
Rant over

You can dissect my post as much as you want Dave fact is HGSA have miss read Giants fans opinions towards this subject big time, you read these forums and post as much as i do and had you put a post up about a proposed meeting with HTSA before it happened would have gaged opinion on this subject. Leave these people involved with HTSA to their own slanderous devises or if not stick an I in the middle of HGSA and rename yourselves independent because at the moment you ain't representing the best interests of Giants fans on this subject and are doing your organisation a lot more harm than good

Im not suggesting for one minute that Dave, Mick or any other members of HGSA are doing anything whatsoever to encourage this mob and think they are doing a great job for the supporters in general and have myself been meaning to join too.

But i do agree with Cripes that some form of letter setting the record and the minds of the giants fans straight as well as letting the hate mob know in no uncertain terms that we ARE NOT and NEVER WILL take part in any anti-Ken rubbish is needed.
Let us not turn this into a fan divide subject as i'm sure everyone knows Dave and the rest of the Supporters group are some of the most staunch Fartown fans i know and will only do things to try and benefit our fans and our club but do need to distance themselves with the 'other' lot.

a meeting with them after all this bile they have thrown about ken davy



this meeting was kept very quiet from us...yet you seem to highlight every other meeting on here

I would echo what Daz says here.

The people who set up the HGSA did so for all the right reasons and are dedicated Giants and RL fans.

It was set up with a lot of people doing a lot of hard work and in very difficult circumstances with some associated it with the club etc being unsupportive and unfortunately potentially hoping it would fail.


Despite some attempts to use this incident as an attempt to undermine Ivor and the HGSA it is important that this is not allowed to happen. The Giants need a pro active supporters association and it can only benefit the fans and the club.

I have no problem in accepting that this was a error of judgement or an attempt to try to do the right thing. As far as i am concerned it was nothing more than an innocent mistake and not a hanging offence.

I will speak to Dave tomorrow and give him my take on it as i think it is best dealt with in a low key way.

What should not hapen is ato llow a small error of judgement to undermine in anyway the HGSA and those wo have helped to build it. They need our support not carping from the sidelines.

The creation of a new HGSA, the numbers involved and the evnts that are arranged are all to be commended. Doing this type of thing is exactly what a supporters association is about.

Ideally HGSA should have told fans that they planned to meet HTSA and had an open meeting for all HG fans asking them for their opinions. I think there would have been a very clear message re KD, the stadium and the Town rent a mob.

Failing this when HTSA tried raising the stadium HGSA should have refused to discuss it / stated unequivocal support for KD.

I think a letter should spell out the HGSA position. Ken deserves that support ffs.

I would also agree that there is, in principle, nothing wrong with HGSA and HTSA meeting up but at the same time I do feel that HTSA are using that meeting as a way of inferring that Huddersfield Giants supporters share the views of a minority of HTFC fans and that is completely out of order.

I would not even say this was an error of judgment on the part of Dave or anyone else in the HGSA involved in organising this meeting. ATEOTD this request was apparently made before all this hoohar cropped up. I do however think that HTSA have crossed a line in the way they are trying to manipulate the fact that the meeting took place at all.

I don't know Ivor & am therefore not going to say he's deliberately gone out of his way to align Giants fans with the thuggish mob at HTSA. But it does seem that however fair his intentions were, he has, as someone has put it, "been done up like a kipper". After all the hate-filled bile that HTSA has spewed at Ken there is absolutely no way in the world that I would have even attended that meeting in the first place. Why build bridges with a group which has consistently maligned & just plain LIED about someone that we hold in high esteem?

It's not on. HTSA doesn't even represent alot of genuine Town fans, let alone Giants fans.

A full clarification letter must appear in the Examiner asap. Then all Giants fans & the real Town fans can unite against the true problem, which is HTSA.

What time will Ken take his seat on Sunday? I want to be sure I'm there in time to give him my full support.

another angle is what will Ken and his family think when they see the letter from the mob?
the fact that it is making out that the giants supporters association are taking sides and supporting this lot in their campaign ......this is why its imperative that the HGSA issue a counter letter removing themselves from anything that suggests they support HTSA'a campaign of hatred against Ken/Huddersfield Giants/Giants fans so Ken can see its them twisting things. By remaining silent on this It's almost as if the HGSA are agreeing to support HTSA's case.

Come on guys .......lets get this letter done , for Giants fans and more importantly Ken's sake !!!!

I believe a meeting of this kind should take place but at this moment of time where the HTSA or more importantly Marcus Middleton, Stephen King and Robert Pepper are on their self centred drive to vilify Ken Davy it could've waited, as knowing them it would've been used in their own agenda mis informing what had actually been said!! I name these three even though Mr King has done a lot of good regards HTSA and Mr Pepper has stood down only to come back into the frame, as they are the public face of The HTSA. I think the main protagonist is Marcus Middleton, and it's his main ambition to bring Ken Davy down at all costs!!

I do believe a letter of opposition should be drawn up with not alienation of the HTSA but with support on the real basis of this meeting. And a note saying that the one thing they don't share opinion on is the stadium issue and the Ken Davy hate campaign!

I think Dave is doing a great job, as in Stephen King can do great stuff for the HTSA when not driven in the campaign of vilifying Ken Davy.

BTW where's the flag that was mentioned??? Anyone doing one over a certain size needs permission!