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| Tough loss. Lots of heart shown.
Question on the final disallowed try question.
Liam Hood is clearly offside when the kick goes up but is he then not played onside once Ryan Hall makes contact with the ball up in the air ?
(Also think the HKR try was a knock-on in the air, into the Leigh player, who then knocks on again, prior to the ball then going wide for the try. Not the backwards fumble that was looked at).
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| Totally agree my thoughts exactly! Games hinge on these decisions!
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| A couple of decisions were contentious , but Vete was a disgrace , he goes for the young lad Forster I think it was , then he swears at someone as he is coming off .
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"A couple of decisions were contentious , but Vete was a disgrace , he goes for the young lad Forster I think it was , then he swears at someone as he is coming off .'"
What has age got to do with it? He is a Leigh player the same as the other 16. Players don’t go into a tackle thinking I’ll take this easy as he’s only a young kid. Kendall was inconsistent Sidlow should have been in the bin for head high on Simms. The rovers head highs were no worse and both resulted in sin bins. Placed 75 minutes with 16 players 18 minutes with someone in the bin, 2 of which reduced us to 11 and you still could not win.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"What has age got to do with it? He is a Leigh player the same as the other 16. Players don’t go into a tackle thinking I’ll take this easy as he’s only a young kid. Kendall was inconsistent Sidlow should have been in the bin for head high on Simms. The rovers head highs were no worse and both resulted in sin bins. Placed 75 minutes with 16 players 18 minutes with someone in the bin, 2 of which reduced us to 11 and you still could not win.'"
Some players DO look for the younger players and the smaller ones to hit , because they know they won’t retaliate , not many used to hit Stan Owen when he played ,or Kurt Sorensen or Kevin Tamati.
If you look Sldlow clearly uses his shoulder in the tackle as well .
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"a014.gif Some players DO look for the younger players and the smaller ones to hit , because they know they won’t retaliate , not many used to hit Stan Owen when he played ,or Kurt Sorensen or Kevin Tamati.
If you look Sldlow clearly uses his shoulder in the tackle as well .'"
All forwards will look to either tackle or run at if the have the ball, young or smaller players given the chance. Always have done and always will do. Why introduce players from a previous era. All clubs have had their hard men, problem is if they played now they would spend more time in the stands than on the pitch.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"All forwards will look to either tackle or run at if the have the ball, young or smaller players given the chance. Always have done and always will do. Why introduce players from a previous era. All clubs have had their hard men, problem is if they played now they would spend more time in the stands than on the pitch.'"
I’m just replying to your statement , Players Don’t take the Easy option of going for the young kid , they DO , or the small one , it’s human nature , just the same as in school , and will always be like this , bullies don’t go for the biggest kids .
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"I’m just replying to your statement , Players Don’t take the Easy option of going for the young kid , they DO , or the small one , it’s human nature , just the same as in school , and will always be like this , bullies don’t go for the biggest kids .'"
You obviously misread or misunderstood my previous post. I never said they don’t take the easy option. I said the don’t go into contact saying they will take things easy because it is a young player.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"You obviously misread or misunderstood my previous post. I never said they don’t take the easy option. I said the don’t go into contact saying they will take things easy because it is a young player.'"
Ok I apologise for my misunderstanding , I respect everyone’s opinion whatever their views are , anyway I was happy tonight , yeah we lost , but at least the effort was there to be seen .
And I don’t think we will be relegated anyway .
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"Ok I apologise for my misunderstanding , I respect everyone’s opinion whatever their views are , anyway I was happy tonight , yeah we lost , but at least the effort was there to be seen .
And I don’t think we will be relegated anyway .'"
Not if the proposed system is introduced. You’ll have to wait until the end of 2022 season for that pleasure, it will only delay the inevitable. I’m afraid I cannot see you finishing 10th out of fourteen. You will need almost a new team. Effort will not be enough you will need skill as well. The likes of Joel Tomkins will not be enough.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Not if the proposed system is introduced. You’ll have to wait until the end of 2022 season for that pleasure, it will only delay the inevitable. I’m afraid I cannot see you finishing 10th out of fourteen. You will need almost a new team. Effort will not be enough you will need skill as well. The likes of Joel Tomkins will not be enough.'"
You do realise that you will be enjoying the same pleasure at the end of 2022
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| Quote ="Cokey"You do realise that you will be enjoying the same pleasure at the end of 2022
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Maybe, time will tell but we have made quality signings and resignings. You have not made any, so far. In fact your better players such as they are seem to be on the way out. You are well behind the eight ball. A position we found ourselves in over the last few years. It is a difficult situation to get out of as normally players will only sign for likely relegation candidates as a last resort. Having a proven coach enabled us to attract players of quality last time and so we have improved our position on last year, at least so far, whilst you signed a number our our players, the team that finished bottom thanks to the Canadians dropping out. That should have given you a bit of a clue about your chances this year. I do hope your new coach can pull things around as I fully appreciate the situation you are in. Well not quite as we have never gone so long without winning a match.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"Not if the proposed system is introduced. You’ll have to wait until the end of 2022 season for that pleasure, it will only delay the inevitable. I’m afraid I cannot see you finishing 10th out of fourteen. You will need almost a new team. Effort will not be enough you will need skill as well. The likes of Joel Tomkins will not be enough.'"
Again I do realise what situation we will be in , if we don’t go down ,and it could be just giving us a reprieve,with 4 going down out of 14 it will be extremely difficult and again I agree we will need a new team , we will need a virtual new team anyway ,as most are leaving at the end of this season .
And to survive we will need to recruit quality in abundance , I’m sure Derek knows this as well though ,as for Joel Tomkins ?Im hoping the first of a few quality players to arrive , you have to start somewhere , we have now signed him ,2 Aussies , Joe Mellor , I’m hoping Brierley and James Bell sign again ,maybe Sidlow ,the rest it will up to the Coach , again I’m not sure if we will get one but apparently Derek already has once in mind and is just waiting to announce him .
I’m hopeful of our future , hopeful being the word , but I’m also a realist IF we want to become a top 10 side then we need drastic measures in recruitment , or we are just marking time till we go down again .
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| Quote ="Cokey"You do realise that you will be enjoying the same pleasure at the end of 2022
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Derek I think ourselves , Salford , Wakey , Hudds , Hull KR , and the 2 possible oromotedClubs if it happens all realise the extreme mountain they will have to climb to get into the proposed top 10.
My question is this season we started on a lower amount of Central Funding ,because we where a new team to SL , next season we won’t be a new team , does this mean we will on the same footing asSalford , Hudds ,and Wakey ?And will the 2 promoted teams be on a less amount as we were ?
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"Again I do realise what situation we will be in , if we don’t go down ,and it could be just giving us a reprieve,with 4 going down out of 14 it will be extremely difficult and again I agree we will need a new team , we will need a virtual new team anyway ,as most are leaving at the end of this season .
And to survive we will need to recruit quality in abundance , I’m sure Derek knows this as well though ,as for Joel Tomkins ?Im hoping the first of a few quality players to arrive , you have to start somewhere , we have now signed him ,2 Aussies , Joe Mellor , I’m hoping Brierley and James Bell sign again ,maybe Sidlow ,the rest it will up to the Coach , again I’m not sure if we will get one but apparently Derek already has once in mind and is just waiting to announce him .
I’m hopeful of our future , hopeful being the word , but I’m also a realist IF we want to become a top 10 side then we need drastic measures in recruitment , or we are just marking time till we go down again .'"
I’m sure Derek Beaumont is well aware of what is needed. If his past record is anything to go by he has little idea of how to bring it about. His leadership over the past few seasons has left a lot to be desired. Being a passionate fan is not enough and he has proved it.
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| Gone off topic.
As Sky pointed out was not a try but not for the reason thought on the ground.The most blatant inconsistency of the ref never mind any card issue
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| Quote ="Vancouver Leyther"
Question on the final disallowed try question.
Liam Hood is clearly offside when the kick goes up
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That is why the try was disallowed.
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| Sorry, in my annoyance did not make myself clear yes Hood was off side. I was referring to kr try when kr man was within 10 yards of our man fielding kick so penalty to us,probably not a knock as thought on the ground, but close, deffo no try.
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| Usually you hear the shout from the ref telling the players offside to stay back. For me the video ref is concentrating on the knock on, and forgets the rules of the game with Crooks onside.
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| Quote ="reffy"That is why the try was disallowed.'"
Thanks Reffy, so the HKR try should have been disallowed for the same reason.
Very frustrating.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"What has age got to do with it? He is a Leigh player the same as the other 16. Players don’t go into a tackle thinking I’ll take this easy as he’s only a young kid. Kendall was inconsistent Sidlow should have been in the bin for head high on Simms. The rovers head highs were no worse and both resulted in sin bins. Placed 75 minutes with 16 players 18 minutes with someone in the bin, 2 of which reduced us to 11 and you still could not win.'"
You've spent a bit more than us on your squad, good luck in the Grand Final. p.s 11 men for 2 minutes, you drama queen.
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| Quote ="Vancouver Leyther"Thanks Reffy, so the HKR try should have been disallowed for the same reason.
Very frustrating.'"
Crooks put them all onside, the ref sends it up to check the knock on. One he awards on field as a try after consultation with his touch judges, no call from the ref to any player to stay onside after Lawler kicks. Hoods was straight forward offside. The ref for me was correct in both decisions. You can’t be judging if someone is encroaching 10m when the fullback just played them all onside.
It got sent up as a try.
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| Quote ="atomic"Crooks put them all onside, the ref sends it up to check the knock on. One he awards on field as a try after consultation with his touch judges, no call from the ref to any player to stay onside after Lawler kicks. Hoods was straight forward offside. The ref for me was correct in both decisions. You can’t be judging if someone is encroaching 10m when the fullback just played them all onside.
It got sent up as a try.'"
Crooks cannot put anyone who was in front of him onside who are within the 10, the only person who can put people back onside is the kicker of the ball which clearly he didn't. The try should of been disallowed by the rules of the game, although it's one rule I hate as even though within the 10 he has no outcome on the play at all.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"You've spent a bit more than us on your squad, good luck in the Grand Final.
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I’m not sure about the point you are trying to make. Yes we probably have spent a bit more on our squad. It is reflected in the table. To attract quality players you have to pay accordingly. It is however well known that to get away from the foot of the table you have to pay over the odds to attract players. Otherwise the only players you will get will be those not wanted by other clubs. Due to Toronto dropping out we finished bottom last year. How many of our 2020 squad did you sign?
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| Quote ="Wayne Buxton"[uCrooks cannot put anyone who was in front of him onside who are within the 10, the only person who can put people back onside is the kicker of the ball which clearly he didn't. The try should of been disallowed by the rules of the game,[/u although it's one rule I hate as even though within the 10 he has no outcome on the play at all.'"
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