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Interesting outcome to the fracas in the Dewsbury match
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch
Dawson-Jones has a penalty notice for one match for running in and punching. Reynolds and Moore, who started the punch up, receive penalty notice of no matches. (??)
Mata'utia a penalty notice of one match, for contrary behaviour, but not charged! Presumably his penalty notice was for standing up, while the Dewsbury player was climbing on his back, after the tackle was completed, causing the tackler to fall off! If they don't roll away................
Incidentally, on that point, in our matches against Toronto and Halifax, we were repeatedly penalised, for not clearing the ruck - fair enough. But how many times were London tacklers found lying behind the ptb, yesterday, even being struck by the ptb and never penalised? A Bob Beswick or Ben Kaye would have tripped over them, or bounced the ball on them, and won the penalty. It would appear that not all referees employ the same thinking on 'clearing the ruck'!  |
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Interesting outcome to the fracas in the Dewsbury match
www.rugby-league.com/the_rfl/dis ... #advSearch
Dawson-Jones has a penalty notice for one match for running in and punching. Reynolds and Moore, who started the punch up, receive penalty notice of no matches. (??)
Mata'utia a penalty notice of one match, for contrary behaviour, but not charged! Presumably his penalty notice was for standing up, while the Dewsbury player was climbing on his back, after the tackle was completed, causing the tackler to fall off! If they don't roll away................
Incidentally, on that point, in our matches against Toronto and Halifax, we were repeatedly penalised, for not clearing the ruck - fair enough. But how many times were London tacklers found lying behind the ptb, yesterday, even being struck by the ptb and never penalised? A Bob Beswick or Ben Kaye would have tripped over them, or bounced the ball on them, and won the penalty. It would appear that not all referees employ the same thinking on 'clearing the ruck'! | |
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The ref was poor yesterday particularly with offside and the ruck area, fortunately he didn’t influence the result and ironically his lack of whistle made for a better game.
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The clearing of the ruck areas has been terrible so far this season. The referees are not dealing with this well at all.
Also when there is a break in play, such as when someone knocks on, why does it take so long to restart the game with a scrum?
The flow of the game is lost and it becomes difficult for teams to get any momentum. The Good Friday game against Swinton is a case in point.
The disciplinary decision re Peter Mat'uatia is one of the most pathetic i have ever heard of. Another example of the referee not ensuring that the defence clear the ruck properly, which then results in an unnecessary fracas in which Mat'uatia was the victim.
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| Quote ="reffy"The ref was poor yesterday particularly with offside and the ruck area, fortunately he didn’t influence the result and ironically =#FF0000his lack of whistle made for a better game.'"
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The refs seem to have a pet project or two at the start of each season. Last year and this they were zealously penalising players for moving off the mark at the ptb. Like last year they seem to have given up on this now. It's the same story with clearing the ruck. However, I thought the worst aspect of Monday's officiating was the number of forward passes allowed to go unpunished: these were not the usual ie from acting half back, but on several occasions Sammut (or Summit!) got away with blatant ones.
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I blame Hock
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There seems to be a lot more gamesmanship coming into games, passing into a man on the ground to gain a penalty, making the ruck as messy as possible to slow play. These type of delaying tactics used to happen a lot at contested scrims, which is why we got rid. One thing that could help is stopping that third man come in late when the tackle is complete.
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I see Matu'atia has now been changed from 'not charged' to 'charged' on the Disciplinary website
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| Quote ="shropshire-leyther"I see Matu'atia has now been changed from 'not charged' to 'charged' on the Disciplinary website'"
PETER MATA'UTIA-LEIFI - LEIGH
LEIGH V DEWSBURY - CHAMPIONSHIP
RANGE OF RECOMMENDED SANCTIONS IN RELATION TO CHARGED GRADE* :
Penalty Notice - 1 match
DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :
Rule – 15.1(i) Detail – Behaves in any way contrary to the true spirit of the game Grade - B
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Charge
INCIDENT:
Other Contrary Behaviour in the 44th minute (Day) |
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| Quote ="reffy"The ref was poor yesterday particularly with offside and the ruck area, fortunately he didn’t influence the result and ironically his lack of whistle made for a better game.'"
His lack of whistle shouldn't be welcomed to cover his incompetent handling of the game though! |
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| Totally absurd. Day was climbing all over Mata'utia's back, even after the ref eventually shouted 'held' All Mata'utia did was stand up. Day then fell vertically off his back. He shouldn't have been there at all, when Mata'utia was trying to play the ball! Mata'utia's 'crime' was to attempt to stand up and play the ball. Why didn't Day let go, when the ref shouted held?!  |
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| Quote ="Alan"Totally absurd. Day was climbing all over Mata'utia's back, even after the ref eventually shouted 'held' All Mata'utia did was stand up. Day then fell vertically off his back. He shouldn't have been there at all, when Mata'utia was trying to play the ball! Mata'utia's 'crime' was to attempt to stand up and play the ball. Why didn't Day let go, when the ref shouted held?!
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Alan, I have just watched the incident again, he doesn't seem to be fully tackled,but i'm not sure if the ref shouted held. It did look a bit reckless tbh.
If he decides to appeal, then...........
Players can challenge a Penalty Notice (A-C) – in which case the matter will be determined by the Operational Rules Tribunal. A refundable deposit of £500 for Super League players and £250 for all other players must be lodged when submitting a challenge. If challenge is successful, the deposit shall be returned. Challenges to a Penalty Notice can only be made on the following grounds:
- Guilt; or
- Improper Grading of the Offence by the Panel
Unsuccessful challenges will result in a one-match increase in sanction where grounds for challenge considered unreasonable. If player is found not guilty then no sanction will be handed out. A successful grading challenge will lead to a sanction that would have been imposed for the revised Grade. |
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Thought the disciplinary for the Dewsbury game was Tuesday just gone, is it a coincidence that he flew to Magaluf on Sunday. For him to miss the Rochdale game would not be the end of the world (no disrespect to them) - due a bit of a rest
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Sorry gents but I said to my son this would happen. Peter takes a hold of the lads leg and stands up. It could have been a lot worse had the lad landed on his head. Stupid to say the least. In peters defence the lads feet hit the floor first and his head hardly hits the floor but he stays down holding his head and neck. There’s your gamesmanship.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Alan, I have just watched the incident again, he doesn't seem to be fully tackled,but i'm not sure if the ref shouted held. It did look a bit reckless tbh.
If he decides to appeal, then...........
Players can challenge a Penalty Notice (A-C) – in which case the matter will be determined by the Operational Rules Tribunal. A refundable deposit of £500 for Super League players and £250 for all other players must be lodged when submitting a challenge. If challenge is successful, the deposit shall be returned. Challenges to a Penalty Notice can only be made on the following grounds:
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Unsuccessful challenges will result in a one-match increase in sanction where grounds for challenge considered unreasonable. If player is found not guilty then no sanction will be handed out. A successful grading challenge will lead to a sanction that would have been imposed for the revised Grade.'"
Fair enough - although I'm not sure what Day was doing there. I believe the ref did call held - the outcome of the fracas was a penalty to Leigh - for interfering/not clearing the ruck? First time I've ever seen the player in possession done for a 'spear tackle'! |
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And another thing. Ben Reynolds is lucky not to get a ban as he started the fight with that daft back hander. I fear a run of disciplinary bans coming up and one of the old candidates isn't far away from one.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"And another thing. Ben Reynolds is lucky not to get a ban as he started the fight with that daft back hander. I fear a run of disciplinary bans coming up and one of the old candidates isn't far away from one.'"
Well if that's aimed at Acton I have to say that he appears to be clearly making the effort not to retaliate. He is clearly being targeted for a reaction, which in general he is walking away from, Monday had a clear example of that - whether it continues remains to be seen.
I also believe it is affecting his performance as it is taking some of the aggression out of his game - certainly doesn't seem to have the same "go forward" this season |
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| Quote ="TV BOY"And another thing. Ben Reynolds is lucky not to get a ban as he started the fight with that daft back hander. I fear a run of disciplinary bans coming up and one of the old candidates isn't far away from one.'"
What did Gareth Moore receive ? The incident occurred a long way away from me so I had limited view however, I did see Moore jump up to land an uppercut that Anthony Joshua would be proud of  |
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| In the second half against London, our Pack seemed to have lost their momentum and controlled aggression allowing London to dominate more! The dominance disappeared when Jamie came back on and, his return seemed to inspire our forwards once again! It was our Pack that laid the platform for our performance on Sunday and Jamie was at the very heart of it! During a number of scuffles throughout the match, Jamie behaved impeccably and I hope he is now learning that rash interventions only lead to periods of prolonged absence from games  |
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| Quote ="kirkhall"What did Gareth Moore receive ? The incident occurred a long way away from me so I had limited view however, I did see Moore jump up to land an uppercut that Anthony Joshua would be proud of
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No suspension - just like Reynolds - both rather lucky there,as they clearly threw a punch! |
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So is Pete banned for this weekend or just rested ??
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| Quote ="ColD"Thought the disciplinary for the Dewsbury game was Tuesday just gone, is it a coincidence that he flew to Magaluf on Sunday. For him to miss the Rochdale game would not be the end of the world (no disrespect to them) - due a bit of a rest'"
Must have been a quick trip.. Could have sworn he played Monday..
Tuesday's disciplinary would have been the Swinton game. Followed by sentencing for the Dewsbury game, I presume. |
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Common sense from the panel, back to the old days of, “You are allowed one each” and Dawson sanctioned for joining in.
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| Quote ="reffy"Common sense from the panel, back to the old days of, “You are allowed one each” and Dawson sanctioned for joining in.'"
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