I know it's the first game today but what a shambollic performance, it was dire the same old clueless rubbish like the end of last season.

Until we change the coaching staff don't expect anything else, it's totally beyond the current coach and his staff to motivate, direct and manage the team, very clear from today's game!

When will Mr Beaumont see what we all see and make the necessary changes for his own and the good of the loyal fans of Leigh, sorry it's not the players but as I said last year it all points to the coach, please, please put the guy out of his misery before it's too late like last season!

Certainly all coming out of the woodwork tonight.

Is it any real surprise in all honesty. He is clueless. His body language is awful and hes out of his depth

Seems the club got rid of wrong people at the end of last season. Never the less on wards and downwards three out of three so far???.
IGNORE until something is done.

I really do despair at times! We have a lot of very bitter clueless fans at Leigh.. I can't stand in the north stand and listen to half of the tripe that comes out of people's mouth. Toronto played with a chip on their shoulder today as we expected! Out of all the players that have gone and been replaced we wouldn't have any of them! They were very good today. Wasn't a rowley master class it was Toronto finding their front every time. The controlled the ruck all day in attack the hit the floor and played behind a rapid ptb which led too so the penaltys. Defence we didn't slow them down all day. We will be better than that and will beat them both other times this year. Couple of concerns for me Reynolds is far too cumbersome for me. Baptiste comes in at 9 Mortimer to 7 and hutch to 6. Another concern is we can't go with a bench of Lovett mason and Patrick far too lightweight. Lovett doesn't look upto it too me. Few positives vai vai found a offload and showed good feet and made solid yards every carry, we looked so good when hood was on the field too he had a good game. Not much else to say first game of season it's done and we will crack on

Oggy, I agree 100% with everything you say about the team changes,Baptiste is a must to start games, Reynolds has a poor kicking game and offer very little in go forward,Hall can kick goals and Hutch and Morty can hopefully guide us round the pitch.
Not mutch wrong with the pack,but I question if Jukesy is the man for the job?A deficit of 900 season ticket holders is an alarming drop, though the North Stand looked full, it was very quiet today, again only the first game plenty of time to learn.Some harsh decisions to be made.

Absolutely spot on, the difference was the bench....

Ours added zilch, while theirs was immense, especially Sidlow, who was MOM by a country mile!

We had plenty of ball in their 22 but didn't create anything and never looked like scoring ,by the time the ball got to our 2nd man they was in our face it was that slow,no urgency in playing the ball quick and how many time did we look to pass In the tackle and there was no one pushing up to support,Very poor but it's a long season and plenty of time to turn it round but if nothing changes decisions have to be made

How many sets of players do we need to see get controlled at the ruck, losing collisions, slow play the balls, technical penalties galore before the attention moves to the coach rather than the players?

Its the coaches job to coach the players. Not just sit there inanimate the buck has to stop with the head coach its his job to instill good playing habits

Congratulations to Toronto, the score line was a fair reflection of the game, for 70 minutes of the 80 we were out played and certainly out coached.

We made several breaks with no one in support, were we not expecting to make any breaks? We don’t have a clue what to do on the last tackle, not much on the five before either. We’ve no idea how to control the PTB with or without the ball.

Should we change the coach? That’s a decision for DB, but one things for sure after a few seasons of being entertained under Rowley, Jukes teams are painful to watch (and so were Saints under Cunningham) and for those who say but Jukes took us to SL and Rowley didn’t, well so did Abram and we were crap to watch then as well.

Spot on glow. The decision has to be made before the rot sets in and its too late

We was starved of the ball last 15 and first 20 of second half and we did not know how to react to this. We played into the Toronto tactics and fair play to them come with a game plan and stuck to it we went to one man rugby you can’t blame the lads it’s just what they prob been told to do. The problem now we will prob win next 7 games and paper over the cracks that’s there with Cunningham and jukes I don’t know what degsy sees in jukes he must still be trying to prove that he better than rowley when he obviously is not it’s time to have a change in personnel in my opinion sooner rather than later

Here here

Its obvious whats wrong , played more or less the same last yr as yesterday & there is one common denominator in it isnt there i think changes need to be made asap or it will get worse . Hes give it a go & unfortunately its not good enough

Like Jukes said his visit to Australia was a massive learning curve for e everyone. WTF

Jukes will get sacked this season.....and hopefully that scouse blob Cunningham leaves also,

Discipline was shocking, we looked a very poorly coached rabble at times in stark contrast to Toronto.

When they went down to 12, we should have been able to put that to bed, but we interfered in the ruck, spoiling, conceding teritory with penalty after penalty.

We gain a penalty with Toronto routed on their line. Instead of planning how to execute a winning set, Reynolds would rather play tennis with Paterson's head ??

I worry about the Crooks / Dawson edge, I have alluded previously about Dawson's frailties and we look vulnerable there. Yet again Dawson caught napping, drifting with a quick ball for Kay to beat him on the outside. It needs shaking up on that side.

I have been one of Jukes resolute supporters but I am having serious doubts if he is the right man. Yes it is game 1, but he plays a very dire brand and he is not even winning any big games with his 'Up your Jumper' regardless of 12-0 up or 12-0 down, minute 1 or 79. No deviation.

Mortimer must be given more game time. Moving him to the halves to partner Hutchison allowing Baptiste into the hooking role will increase our attacking options.

I don't think Reynolds compliments Hutchison in the same vein Mortimer would. There you go.

I know what you mean about the right side, it's the same Reynolds, Crooks, Dawson combination that failed so miserably last season. Hopefully Evans and Bergal will be pushing for places soon, along with Mortimer in the halves.

The one plus point on Jukes' CV is promotion in 2016. Sadly our attack was poor then as well until Cooke was brought in. You would hope that there's only so many poor performances from so many different sets of players that he can survive.

League table looks like it starts as it will finish unless something is done ASAP.

Whilst being well aware of falling into the "It's early days" trap, what shocked me so much was that we could have been watching last year's squad all over again!

When the ref has penalised you a couple of times for not clearing the ptb, the message should be clear; when you have failed miserably with the 'short-side' plays, perhaps it's time to try to take advantage of the space on the 'open side' by venturing out there; perhaps when the opposing scrum half has caught three of your stereotyped kick offs, maybe it's time to vary it; when you fail abysmally to create pressure through repeat sets, perhaps it's time to try exerting that pressure; when the opposition does gift you a repeat set; perhaps that's not the time to drop the ball, or concede a penalty whilst in possession, thus promptly returning the gift; perhaps it's worth keeping an eye on your opposing wingman, when he has drifted out to the touchline............

Perhaps with different players, we should at least be making different mistakes!!

Good summary Alan, you have got the job! Having said that, any fan with a modicum of knowledge would do better than the current coaching set up.

I have come off the ground disappointed and annoyed before but I have never been absolutely disgusted as I was on Sunday.

Well I have brought myself to watch a replay of yesterday’s game and it was even worse with replays than it was in real life. I know it’s first game players still getting used to each other but if we play like this all season we will be on the end of a few losses

Hi reffy.

Whilst I do have opinions on players, coaches etc. I am loathe to publicly criticise them, because I admire and respect them all for the courage they display, in doing what they do, for 'my' club. Yet I suffered all those emotions you mention on Sunday, and probably many more negative ones besides. Ah well, onwards and upwards, and hopefully Batley, being the Yorkies they are, don't possess the sophisticated technology to witness what we all saw, 'in the flesh'!



Also, whilst we have vast room for improvement, hopefully Toronto have peaked too soon - i.e. in round one!

I agree monty,defence was shocking, the attack was non existent,No urgancey and as for the kicking game we've not had one for quite awhile never mind just yesterday