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All of the coaches, clubs, players and big commentators are saying the exact same thing. Let's hear from the proponents from last week who on this very forum were in favour of the MPG?
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| Quote ="Centurino"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/41469201
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We knew the rules when we entered the Comp, myself I'm in favour it, a great way to end the season, plenty of interest, it's got a Gladiator feel about it.
I've been made redundant a couple of times, most of the imports who are not staying will either go home and find Clubs or stay and find Clubs.
I'm sure when they came over they were supplied with houses and cars,and decent Contracts,those who choose to stay at Leigh will be given Contracts,obviously not as high as in SL but we can't afford them now,Derek has said the Club will stay full time.
So I'm in favour of the MPG ,we need hope of returning to SL what is the alternative?
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"We knew the rules when we entered the Comp, myself I'm in favour it, a great way to end the season, plenty of interest, it's got a Gladiator feel about it.
I've been made redundant a couple of times, most of the imports who are not staying will either go home and find Clubs or stay and find Clubs.
I'm sure when they came over they were supplied with houses and cars,and decent Contracts,those who choose to stay at Leigh will be given Contracts,obviously not as high as in SL but we can't afford them now,Derek has said the Club will stay full time.
So I'm in favour of the MPG ,we need hope of returning to SL what is the alternative?'"
Positions in the league and the right to stay in Sl should be decided over the season .This mini league and the so called million pound game have been concocted to give sky something to show.Sky and those at red hall are playing games with players livelyhoods.The alternative is either one up one down or two up two down if need be every 2 years to give the teams time to settle in sl and get squads together over that period.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"We knew the rules when we entered the Comp, myself I'm in favour it, a great way to end the season, plenty of interest, it's got a Gladiator feel about it.
I've been made redundant a couple of times, most of the imports who are not staying will either go home and find Clubs or stay and find Clubs.
I'm sure when they came over they were supplied with houses and cars,and decent Contracts,those who choose to stay at Leigh will be given Contracts,obviously not as high as in SL but we can't afford them now,Derek has said the Club will stay full time.
So I'm in favour of the MPG ,we need hope of returning to SL what is the alternative?'"
As Neil eludes, based on finance, infrastructure, fans, recent performance, investment and all that stuff that makes a business viable. A SL club is a business that entertains and luckily DB knows business. If he was to quit, then what? I fear how RL will continue to sustain itself and grow under increasing competition with the current set-up and a CEO in charge on a £315k salary?
When the concept was first revealed I initially read it that all Championship clubs would also be fulltime (supported by the RFL and sponsors), all be it on smaller budgets than SL clubs. If that was the reality then it may work better. Surely another look at the NRL success is important?
Look at Bradford now, 3 years ago they were also in the MPG. It's just insane that a team that did not finish bottom gets relegated and experiences the repercussions, absolutely crackers as a concept.
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| Quote ="Centurino"As Neil eludes, based on finance, infrastructure, fans, recent performance, investment and all that stuff that makes a business viable. A SL club is a business that entertains and luckily DB knows business. If he was to quit, then what? I fear how RL will continue to sustain itself and grow under increasing competition with the current set-up and a CEO in charge on a £315k salary?
When the concept was first revealed I initially read it that all Championship clubs would also be fulltime (supported by the RFL and sponsors), all be it on smaller budgets than SL clubs. If that was the reality then it may work better. Surely another look at the NRL success is important?
Look at Bradford now, 3 years ago they were also in the MPG. It's just insane that a team that did not finish bottom gets relegated and experiences the repercussions, absolutely crackers as a concept.'" it is crazy but sky enable clubs to pay big salaries to players otherwise there would be a lot of teams made up with partimers, they want it they get it,the competition has evened itself out a lot so most teams can afford some decent names in their team, but the drop is drastic,kr were lucky enough to avoid that dreaded game, but will have all on next year to avoid the middle eights, you did it once you can do it again, but it should be top replaces bottom,you have to just get on with it until it changes
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| Its getting the balance right - on field v finance. Good crowd was on considering very little away support. I bet DB was the most nervous in the ground considering the money he has put in to get us to SL, knowing he would need to do it all over again. If only we could have clung on to stay up and built on our 1st season. If we miss out on promotion next season, will DB keep making up the short fall? Until RL have FT league below SL, finance should play an important part for clubs progressing rather than just on field.
The current format is harsh. 12 teams in SL, and bottom 4 go in play off league to battle to stay up. With jobs on the line. If this happened in the ordinary workplaces, John "the Marxist" McDonnell would be all over it.
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| Quote ="propforward 2338"Positions in the league and the right to stay in Sl should be decided over the season .This mini league and the so called million pound game have been concocted to give sky something to show.Sky and those at red hall are playing games with players livelyhoods.The alternative is either one up one down or two up two down if need be every 2 years to give the teams time to settle in sl and get squads together over that period.'"
Good shout this.
There has to be a way for a team in the championship to get into SL, consequently a SL team will drop down which ever format is picked. Unless we are talking about licencing again.
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| Quote ="Centurino"As Neil eludes, based on finance, infrastructure, fans, recent performance, investment and all that stuff that makes a business viable. A SL club is a business that entertains and luckily DB knows business. If he was to quit, then what? I fear how RL will continue to sustain itself and grow under increasing competition with the current set-up and a CEO in charge on a £315k salary?
When the concept was first revealed I initially read it that all Championship clubs would also be fulltime (supported by the RFL and sponsors), all be it on smaller budgets than SL clubs. If that was the reality then it may work better. Surely another look at the NRL success is important?
Look at Bradford now, 3 years ago they were also in the MPG. It's just insane that a team that did not finish bottom gets relegated and experiences the repercussions, absolutely crackers as a concept.'"
Centurino, you asked about were people in favour of the MPG?I answered I WAS,I didn't say it was right, as has been stated SKY dictate and control most of what happens in professional sport ,but they are the Paymasters look at what they put into Football ,and to an extent RL without Sky money the players would be on very small contracts at both Sports, the MPG is car crash Rugby no doubt, but we all know the rules ,we didn't complain last year,I stand by what I say other ideas may be brought in but for me we can't have the sterilised Rugby outcome of the NRL.
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| Quote ="Zulu01"Good shout this.
There has to be a way for a team in the championship to get into SL, consequently a SL team will drop down which ever format is picked. Unless we are talking about licencing again.'"
Agree, really good shout from prop. If Leigh had 12 months grace to acclimatise to SL right across the club, it must be worth 4-5 additional wins in the subsequent year.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Centurino, you asked about were people in favour of the MPG?I answered I WAS,I didn't say it was right, as has been stated SKY dictate and control most of what happens in professional sport ,but they are the Paymasters look at what they put into Football ,and to an extent RL without Sky money the players would be on very small contracts at both Sports, the MPG is car crash Rugby no doubt, but we all know the rules ,we didn't complain last year,I stand by what I say other ideas may be brought in but for me we can't have the sterilised Rugby outcome of the NRL.'"
NP Charlie, there is no right or wrong of course. I always look forward to and respect your valuable comments mate. It's just good to see what people think and get a good debate going. Seeing Higham live on TV in distress was not a good advert for RL though. And ultimately we all love this great game and want it to flourish for years to come.
Is Atomic around? Be good to see a quick poll to see what people think about the MGP and the way forward seeing as we are just out of the thick of it.
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| Quote ="Centurino"NP Charlie, there is no right or wrong of course. I always look forward to and respect your valuable comments mate. It's just good to see what people think and get a good debate going. Seeing Higham live on TV in distress was not a good advert for RL though. And ultimately we all love this great game and want it to flourish for years to come.
Is Atomic around? Be good to see a quick poll to see what people think about the MGP and the way forward seeing as we are just out of the thick of it.'"
Centurino, I respect and value everyone's comments on this Forum,I do agree the sight of Mickey Higham obviously upset wasn't good , I felt for the bloke,he's LEIGH through and through,as you rightly say we all love this great game,but at times we don't share the same opinions,it would be boring if we did.
It would be interesting to have a Poll about the MPG .
At times I've been referred to as a full time wind up merchant I don't care about that , I do at times try to be lighthearted about some situations, however the MPG is not one.
I will however buy a season ticket in the West Stand as soon as they are on sale,and hope the lads are back in SL ASAP. Keep posting.
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| Quote ="propforward 2338"Positions in the league and the right to stay in Sl should be decided over the season .This mini league and the so called million pound game have been concocted to give sky something to show.Sky and those at red hall are playing games with players livelyhoods.The alternative is either one up one down or two up two down if need be every 2 years to give the teams time to settle in sl and get squads together over that period.'"
So you choose NOW to criticize it, why didn't you voice your concerns last week.........?
Oh hang on, sour grapes and bitter loser, bet you were "sneaking out" 10m from time.
As devastating as it was, sport should ALWAYS be competitive...
We had UMPTEEN chances, but to lose THREE times at home in the comp tells its own story.
You need to read Danny Lockwood's full page article in League Weekly, it was spot on!
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| Quote ="joanne callotte"So you choose NOW to criticize it, why didn't you voice your concerns last week.........?
Oh hang on, sour grapes and bitter loser, bet you were "sneaking out" 10m from time.
As devastating as it was, sport should ALWAYS be competitive...
We had UMPTEEN chances, but to lose THREE times at home in the comp tells its own story.
You need to read Danny Lockwood's full page article in League Weekly, it was spot on!'"
Excuse me for having an opinion.If you can bother to find previous post and not this one I have always been against this million pound game.Sports being competitive are won over seasons in all other sports.We did have chances in the other games but one in particular was decided by a video ref giving a try when the ball hadn't been played yet a week or so later the same person disallowed a try for not playing the ball,As for sneaking out early im 69 and have watched and supported Leigh through thick and thin since being 11ish.No doubt you are to young to remember the days Barrow played Friday night and there were no motorways to get there,so it was getting on for 4am before we got home.Never once have I left a game early so unless you know different do NOT infer I do
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| Quote ="Zulu01"Good shout this.
Unless we are talking about licencing again.'"
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"We knew the rules when we entered the Comp, myself I'm in favour it, a great way to end the season, plenty of interest, it's got a Gladiator feel about it.
I've been made redundant a couple of times, most of the imports who are not staying will either go home and find Clubs or stay and find Clubs.
I'm sure when they came over they were supplied with houses and cars,and decent Contracts,those who choose to stay at Leigh will be given Contracts,obviously not as high as in SL but we can't afford them now,Derek has said the Club will stay full time.
So I'm in favour of the MPG ,we need hope of returning to SL what is the alternative?'"
People are saying they want P&R, but they dont want the million pound game as its messing with peoples livelihoods jobs etc.
Excuse me but, isn't playing in a league with P&R exactly the same thing? had this been the last round of the season, and leigh(or an other club) been needing to win on the last day to stay up? you're in exactly the same position, jobs in question, mortgages and lives affected, and you probably still have mickey higham (or an other player) being interviewed and upset on the pitch.
If you want P&R, this is what you're gonna get.
We're not a big enough sport to finance and support regular relegation, thats why i'm in favour of licensing, i know clubs below don't like it as it appears to be a closed shop, but as with the comments made by the fev chairman the other week, its one thing looking in and another being in the middle of it,you really dont' realise the money thats needed to invest in runninga competitive mid table club, never mind a club thats challenging at the top. i don't think fev are anywhere near ready to operate at a super league level.
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| I agree Mr cat. But neither were Leigh 2 years ago.... and have been found wanting this year. Stuff changes.
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| I must admit from a HKR point of view, I didn't see too many people caring about the MPG last year when we went down. In even worse circumstances then how yours came about as well. Everyone was just loving the drama and the way how it all unfolded.
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| Quote ="g_balls"I must admit from a HKR point of view, I didn't see too many people caring about the MPG last year when we went down. In even worse circumstances then how yours came about as well. Everyone was just loving the drama and the way how it all unfolded.'"
Yes,unfortunately you were the first to fall from grace. Should that have been Leeds or Wire as this season. You wouldn't see Mr Cat here, posting what he wants.
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| Well mr cat. Had it not been for the qualifiers two years ago, would the then Wakey coach have been able to publicly state mid season that he was giving up on the season when they were too far behind the leading pack to avoid relegation. Only to then beat Bulls in the million pound game. The m p g was Wakeys saviour that year so it was
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"People are saying they want P&R, but they dont want the million pound game as its messing with peoples livelihoods jobs etc.
Excuse me but, isn't playing in a league with P&R exactly the same thing? had this been the last round of the season, and leigh(or an other club) been needing to win on the last day to stay up? you're in exactly the same position, jobs in question, mortgages and lives affected, and you probably still have mickey higham (or an other player) being interviewed and upset on the pitch.
If you want P&R, this is what you're gonna get.
We're not a big enough sport to finance and support regular relegation, thats why i'm in favour of licensing, i know clubs below don't like it as it appears to be a closed shop, but as with the comments made by the fev chairman the other week, its one thing looking in and another being in the middle of it,you really dont' realise the money thats needed to invest in runninga competitive mid table club, never mind a club thats challenging at the top. i don't think fev are anywhere near ready to operate at a super league level.'"
Personally I hope the lower tiers close the doors to SL. Let SL fend for themselves. Sky return the broacasting rights for Championship,they get the BBC, along with no salary cap and bye bye SL.Lets see how the game pans out with that one in twenty years time.
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| Quote ="g_balls"I must admit from a HKR point of view, I didn't see too many people caring about the MPG last year when we went down. In even worse circumstances then how yours came about as well. Everyone was just loving the drama and the way how it all unfolded.'"
Exactly, who started all this 'livelihoods/jobs/mortgages' crap, Peacock/Crabtree/Cockayne, that's who !
When it was Wakefield v Bradford in 2015 in the MPG, there was none of this crap. For example, any Leigh player who wants to find another club can do so, with either a SL club, or a championship one. I doubt their respective families will starve/have to move into a hostel...etc Unfortunately this MPG 'livelihoods at stake' is a snowball that is gathering momentum, and the RFL will return to licensing.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Exactly, who started all this 'livelihoods/jobs/mortgages' crap, Peacock/Crabtree/Cockayne, that's who !
When it was Wakefield v Bradford in 2015 in the MPG, there was none of this crap. For example, any Leigh player who wants to find another club can do so, with either a SL club, or a championship one. I doubt their respective families will starve/have to move into a hostel...etc Unfortunately this MPG 'livelihoods at stake' is a snowball that is gathering momentum, and the RFL will return to licensing.'"
Very true Budge, we need the MPG not just for the end of season interest , but because the alternative could be a return to licensing.
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| The MPG has been created because the chairmen want 30 game season were all the games have something hanging on them. By simply increasing the SL to 16 teams would give you 30 games but how would you make those latter games interesting if you are 11/12 position? It's been made competitive so that where you finish really matters. You need to finish in the top 8 so that even a vague threat of relegation can motivate you. The MPG might not be ideal but it is the best way we have at the moment to get 30 competitive games per season.
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