I was thinking teams like Leigh, Fev n Halifax need to be in Super League, why don't they have 16 teams with a two tier Super League

Teir 1

Saints
Wigan
Warrington
Leeds
Bradford
Huddersfeild
Catalan
Hull FC

Tier 2

London
Hull KR
Leigh / Halifax / Feverstone
Castleford
Wakefeild
London
Widnes
Salford

- Could be 28 games per season, or 21 games, then have promotion and relegation with the two Super Leagues
- More full time teams means GB have a bigger talent pool to choose from
- Could expand it to 10 teams in each comp
- 21 game season would mean more time for internationals / battle of the roses
- Super League Championship clubs like Leigh get there deserved status and a chance at the big League
- Every bodies happy?

What does everyone think?

That's easy to answer.. The greedy SL Clubs don't want to share the SKY money across the board that's why they will fight tooth n nail against a return to prom and relegation and the thought of two SL League would be a none starter to the greedy

Incorrect.
Sky don't want two divisions otherwise there would already be two divisions. If we return to P/R as it stands it would be even more farcical than the last time you were in SL.

How would it be farcial, there would be a full time club getting promoted and a full time team getting relgated, no need to panic buy and no need to assemble a brand new squad of players; hence making it less farticle and more competative.....

EXCEPT... where's the money coming from.. and the player base.. give Chp clubs £500,000 each you'll just pay the same ordinary players more

A bit like SL really paying the same old ordinary players more along with a few ageing aussies

Did that contribute to the thread in anyway whatsoever? No, SL highlights that there isn't yet the player pathways established so why would we load another ten clubs with the same problem

You Dico are a typcal SL fan who really does not see the big picture,without clubs like Leigh,Fax,Fev etc the pathway you mention will not have a start point as a massive amount of SL players come from these areas,No local team and interest dies off as it is doing now to a great extent.
All fans without a rich benefactor like Warrington have is a chance to sit on the top table and as it is at present this is a very very slim chance.

To say Leighs season in SL was farcical is totaly disrespectful and not fair,Widnes have had loads more time than Leigh to prepare and look at them,they only beat Wigan because they sent a team full of reserves.Just watch all the teams threatened with relegation start promising the earth and buying in players to try and survive the Franchise allocation,this to me is whats farcial.

On your first point I think you'll find that teams like Miners and Easts would continue regardless of whether the centurions were there or not. Plenty of development areas are producing players without the need of a semi pro club. The amateur game produces far, far more players than Leigh or whoever and in all honesty you just pinch them from amateur clubs like we do

What do you contribute to any thread

Wow.

SL clubs want teams like Leigh etc to stay were they are so we can develop their players for them........players who Leigh have helped develop - Hargreaves,Prescott,Evans,Blythe,McCarthy,Mitchell,Spencer......... the list goes on.

They don't want a drop in SKY money (IMO the money should be split equally between all 3 divisions) even though they get more through sponsorship and marketing. Its the old saying - the rich get richer and sod the rest.

Why oh why do any of you entertain Thrush. He/she is just grinning like some mad person while he/she is winding you up.

But kill the clubs in the heartland and it must have a massive detrimental effect on the game,for a start off where do you loan out your young up and coming players to get experiance of a higher level than reserve rugby,everyone who came to Leigh has improved immensly.

The current SL makeup is not working for the general good of the game with only the clubs in SL backing it but RL is not just SL, Sky money after all only keeps players wages at a competitive level but really does not improve RL as a whole.Viewing figures are down,challenge cup attendances way down and we are farther away from beating Australia than ever.

Take off you blinkers mate the game is not getting better at any level and something needs to be done sooner than later.

Of course we get players from ametuer teams, every club does!!!!!

That is true, well run Amateur clubs are thriving all over the country, many without a local pro or semipro team.

And that provides the answer to a point someone raised. The S/L teams would, of course send out D/C players to East, Miners etc. to give them the necessary experience to be ready to take the next step up into S/L.

Can't see S/L splitting into two divisions any time soon.

What will be fascinating to me, is the growing clamour from 'certain' S/L teams to reduce S/L down to ten teams, or nine plus Toulouse, depending on whose view you read.

Let's say this one went to the vote amongst S/L teams, (i.e. to reduce from fourteen to ten.) I wonder which way the following teams would vote?

London; Wakefield; Castleford; Salford; Widnes; Hull KR; Bradford.

In their current positions/set ups, they wouldn't/couldn't all be part of the 'ten'. (except London perhaps, as we "need" a team in the capital)

Let me get this right.

It's OK for Leigh to use Miners etc as feeder clubs, but not OK for SL clubs to use Leigh?

Dual standards....

Posted a few cynical ones there mate. Nowt new there then.

For a kick off, even if P&R were brought in today I think with a 14 team Super League Fev, Fax, Leigh etc would compete with Widnes and London.

At least if P&R were brought in, the best Championship Club would go up, rather than the 5th best, then people blame the coach when Widnes get battered every week, they were getting battered in our league, so why would they do any better in Super League?

If you look at the teams that have been promoted like Cas and Hull KR they're progressing.

Reduce SL to 12 teams, 5 team playoff.

P&R with Championship, top 4 playoff.

Stagger the seasons, so that when the Championship GF winner is decided, they get a payout, part of their SL Salary, this was they get the first 'pick' of SL out of contract players, rather than when Leigh went up, and all the players had signed for SL clubs already.

All SL has to do to stop clubs crashing is bring in a contract clause where if a player plays for a team that is relegated they are released from their contract.

I have to say staggering the starts of the leagues may not be a bad idea. The championship clubs may even pick up some SL fans desperate for an early RL fix.

Point 1: They wouldn't. As much as I enjoyed a few of the results in the cup as one off games, if you put London's team in the Chp, genuinely they'd win by 60 every week. Players like Michael Robertson against players like Steve Maden would be humiliating.

Point 2: I see the logic, however as soon as Widnes ticked that box, rules are rules and it would always be them, had to be with their set up. This time it will probably be Fev.

Point 3: HKR are on the basis of having wealth behind them, the debts they've run up are humongous and they've been to court claiming dispensation after dispensation to bend the rules to stay up and cover their short falls. HKR on the outside look a success but they're a house of cards (ala Bradford) hence why their chairman is making all this noise because he knows. Cas were saved by Franchising! How can you hold them up as a success of P/R they promoted a load of young kids because they couldnt be relegated, they finished bottom and by your logic should have been in the Chp.

Points 4,5 et al: It's difficult. Because however you do it players with families and commitments don't want to put down their lives on the chance they may not be employed 12 months later. It's precisely why you got journeymen aussies, no commitments, if it went tits up they just got on a plane or signed for the next promoted club.

I believe the Sky money should be better split but lets play devils advocate.

Why on earth should teams like you get our Sky money when Sky don't want you to have it. If they wanted you to have it then they'd have give you the money to be televised in the cup.. people are harping on about two divisions but wheres the money coming from. Sky dont. want. to. pay. for. it. It really isn't that difficult.

Point 1 part A: They would. Widnes havn't beaten Leigh for years and we're not the best team in the Championship, and where are Widnes-level with London. Just because they've got a good winger doesn't mean they're a better team.

Point 1 part B: Widnes play Magraff Leuluai, point proven.

Point 2: Why did it have to be Widnes and this time it will be Fev? Why put an average team in because it has a nice stadium over a team that's better, but doesn't. What's changed this time to make Fev more viable? The stadiums the same, but they're not as good a side.

Point 3: Just because Hull KR spent beyond their means doesn't mean everyone else will. Cas finished bottom, unlucky, if they're good enough they will come back the year after.

Points 4&5: I'm not going to feel sorry for an Aussie player who's come over for a payday, then when his team gets relegated because he's on holiday he's out of a job. If the player plays well and gets relegated, they get signed by someone else, possibly the promoted club. If they're garbage and no one wants them, hard lines, they've failed and they know where the airport is.