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I'd like to appeal to the majority of decent Leigh fans to identify the trouble makers from Sundays game. Someone has posted a picture of the crowd on the Halifax Forum see thread.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=458415&start=15
(Title No Place in RL in case link doesnt work)
I've pointed out in my post the position of the culprits. It should be easy to get a positive ID on these guys using the photobucket link with zoom after reviewing their position on the 2nd jpg link by tortured soul.
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I'd like to appeal to the majority of decent Leigh fans to identify the trouble makers from Sundays game. Someone has posted a picture of the crowd on the Halifax Forum see thread.
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=458415&start=15
(Title No Place in RL in case link doesnt work)
I've pointed out in my post the position of the culprits. It should be easy to get a positive ID on these guys using the photobucket link with zoom after reviewing their position on the 2nd jpg link by tortured soul.
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Thanks for those pics tortured soul. Yep positive pics on the group of offenders here.
See 2nd link (2674 jpg) Where copyright is shown on the photo. The offenders are as follows.
1. If you look at the top arch of the C (part of superimposed Copyright) the guy in the black jacket, short hair (receding) with hands clasped leaning on barrier and 2. guy in red shirt with stocky build to left of him with left hand in air (goaty beard) -This was main offender for continual racist language 3. guy stood on steps on other side of no 1. with black cap with white stripe and black jacket. These were the consistent offenders. They were spoken to around half time by the steward and warned about racist language. I turned around at this time and appealed to the steward that they should be ejected. The steward failed to remove them and they continued to racially abuse Halifax players and attempted to intimidate the Halifax fans around them. The steward in the control box at top central was aware of the problem but failed to act and just shrugged his shoulders. At the final whistle this group identified above were joined by some younger trouble causers and spat on the halifax fans in front. This should be clearly identifiable on the cctv at the ground. I've phoned Halifax RLFC this morning and lodged a formal complaint and also phoned Leigh Sports Village and was supposed to be called back by their Health and Safety rep. (no call received to press) I urge any other fans who can give a positive ID and witnessed this behaviour to come forward. (note you can zoom in on the photobucket link)- added below
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Thanks for those pics tortured soul. Yep positive pics on the group of offenders here.
See 2nd link (2674 jpg) Where copyright is shown on the photo. The offenders are as follows.
1. If you look at the top arch of the C (part of superimposed Copyright) the guy in the black jacket, short hair (receding) with hands clasped leaning on barrier and 2. guy in red shirt with stocky build to left of him with left hand in air (goaty beard) -This was main offender for continual racist language 3. guy stood on steps on other side of no 1. with black cap with white stripe and black jacket. These were the consistent offenders. They were spoken to around half time by the steward and warned about racist language. I turned around at this time and appealed to the steward that they should be ejected. The steward failed to remove them and they continued to racially abuse Halifax players and attempted to intimidate the Halifax fans around them. The steward in the control box at top central was aware of the problem but failed to act and just shrugged his shoulders. At the final whistle this group identified above were joined by some younger trouble causers and spat on the halifax fans in front. This should be clearly identifiable on the cctv at the ground. I've phoned Halifax RLFC this morning and lodged a formal complaint and also phoned Leigh Sports Village and was supposed to be called back by their Health and Safety rep. (no call received to press) I urge any other fans who can give a positive ID and witnessed this behaviour to come forward. (note you can zoom in on the photobucket link)- added below
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This is a zoomed in shot of the area.
Culprits immediately behind and to the left of the young lad in pink shirt stood on steps (as seen in photo)
(1 stood on steps 2 leaning on barrier)
The behaviour of the lad in pink shirt and lad next to him should be reviewed on cctv footage at final hooter.
Urge any fans with positive Id's on these to contact the club immediately.
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This is a zoomed in shot of the area.
Culprits immediately behind and to the left of the young lad in pink shirt stood on steps (as seen in photo)
(1 stood on steps 2 leaning on barrier)
The behaviour of the lad in pink shirt and lad next to him should be reviewed on cctv footage at final hooter.
Urge any fans with positive Id's on these to contact the club immediately.
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| Quote ="daveshay"i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
This is a zoomed in shot of the area.
Culprits immediately behind and to the left of the young lad in pink shirt stood on steps (as seen in photo)
(1 stood on steps 2 leaning on barrier)
The behaviour of the lad in pink shirt and lad next to him should be reviewed on cctv footage at final whistle.
Urge any fans with positive Id's on these to contact the club immediately.'"
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Should interesting the fallout from all this
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| Quote ="daveshay"i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
This is a zoomed in shot of the area.
Culprits immediately behind and to the left of the young lad in pink shirt stood on steps (as seen in photo)
(1 stood on steps 2 leaning on barrier)
The behaviour of the lad in pink shirt and lad next to him should be reviewed on cctv footage at final hooter.
Urge any fans with positive Id's on these to contact the club immediately.'"
Just out of interest, why should the behaviour of the lad in the pink shirt be reviewed? |
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Leyther till death thanks for your response - The reason I've requested this is that I don't want to make any false allegations. Some other individuals became involved in the spitting incident at the end of the game. A review of the CCTV may hopefully highlight the individuals concerned. The lad in the pink shirt is just a point of reference in the photo at this stage unless witnesses or cctv evidence prove otherwise. However I believe some other 'fans' became involved in the spitting incident. Hope this answers your question fairly. edit x1 for clarification
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Fair enough. Hopefully some clear CCTV footage will become available and the correct culprits are identified.
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I don't recognise them myself, but maybe someone in contact with the club who is on this mb can make club/LSV aware.
Good luck with this and hopefully will lead to weeding the bad apples out.
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One Fax fan made mention to me on my way out of the ground regarding "racist" comments from certain parties but I have nod idea who this may be or if he was correct.
I'd made comment to this fan about bringing our own ref for the next game and that was his response. To be honest if anyone was bringing the clubs name into disrepute then they should be dealt with accordingly.
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Another witness account from Halifax site. Can anyone identify this guy?- Quote below:
i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
the guy wearing the red shirt to the left of the one in pink on the steps is one of the culprits who threatened to rip a Fax fan's head off for reporting their racial abuse he said he had a right to be racist!!! He also told the Fax fans to 'shut the f**k up when cheering on our team |
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i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
the guy wearing the red shirt to the left of the one in pink on the steps is one of the culprits who threatened to rip a Fax fan's head off for reporting their racial abuse he said he had a right to be racist!!! He also told the Fax fans to 'shut the f**k up when cheering on our team | |
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Quote ="daveshay"Another witness account from Halifax site. Can anyone identify this guy?- Quote below:
i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
the guy wearing the red shirt to the left of the one in pink on the steps is one of the culprits who threatened to rip a Fax fan's head off for reporting their racial abuse he said he had a right to be racist!!! He also told the Fax fans to 'shut the f**k up when cheering on our team'"
Presume he's the same bloke you sighted in your account but he means left of the photo when looking at the boy in pink, not to the actual left of the boy in pink. He's the only one with a red shirt in that area (other than Leigh replicas) |
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Quote ="daveshay"Another witness account from Halifax site. Can anyone identify this guy?- Quote below:
i2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/tommyfax/ley2.jpg
the guy wearing the red shirt to the left of the one in pink on the steps is one of the culprits who threatened to rip a Fax fan's head off for reporting their racial abuse he said he had a right to be racist!!! He also told the Fax fans to 'shut the f**k up when cheering on our team'"
Presume he's the same bloke you sighted in your account but he means left of the photo when looking at the boy in pink, not to the actual left of the boy in pink. He's the only one with a red shirt in that area (other than Leigh replicas) | |
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Yes also another witness account relating to the same bloke now also on fax forum.
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Disappointing more North Standers are not posting on this topic, this is your club they are ruining.
On one side we have fans walking to Widnes to help their club on the other we have allegations of racism, foul language, violence and spitting which believe me will crucify our SL aspirations if WE turn the other cheek.
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| Quote ="maurice"Disappointing more North Standers are not posting on this topic, this is your club they are ruining.
On one side we have fans walking to Widnes to help their club on the other we have allegations of racism, foul language, violence and spitting which believe me will crucify our SL aspirations if WE turn the other cheek.'"
its a touchy subject maurice.
there seem to be a few faceless people doing a lot of accusing at the moment and whilst this nasty behaviour was ment to be rampant on sunday its one individual who seems to be being ruined on a rl forum without the abillity to defend himself.that dosnt seem right to me. |
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Sorry I can't help, I only know one or two in those photos, none of them are those you're asking about, it's further back and to our left as we view the pitch.
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| Quote ="j.c"its a touchy subject maurice.
there seem to be a few faceless people doing a lot of accusing at the moment and whilst this nasty behaviour was ment to be rampant on sunday its one individual who seems to be being ruined on a rl forum without the abillity to defend himself.that dosnt seem right to me.'"
So if the faceless people did nowt, it would be brushed under the carpet and it then continues and even becomes acceptable with others joining the clan even. Nip it in the bud I say.
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| Quote ="j.c"its a touchy subject maurice.
there seem to be a few faceless people doing a lot of accusing at the moment and whilst this nasty behaviour was ment to be rampant on sunday its one individual who seems to be being ruined on a rl forum without the abillity to defend himself.that dosnt seem right to me.'"
No fax fans are saying rampant, they seem to focus on 3. If you know those three then you need to get them to the club to either clear their names or be banned for life.
It seems we had this problem at Bradford if you look at a fellow Leythers post earlier and we had it in SL v Leeds if I recall.
Its never many so lets get it sorted, our club doesnt deserve association to this and I would be the first one to defend the rights of the BNP to have a law abiding rally etc but not the behaviour alleged |
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J.C whilst I accept the individuals' concerned cannot defend themselves unless of course they post on here. They had the audacity to put in a counter allegation when they were approached by the steward, that the Halifax fans in front were shouting the racist abuse! The person/s indentified in a number of reports are a disgrace to your club and they should be banned and subjected to police action. Hopefully a review of the CCTV might help in evidence of those involved in the spitting. Unfortunately the stewards should have acted and ejected the persons concerned after the first complaint, but failed to do so. If the LSV are unable to deal with the problem, I appeal to the fans that witnessed the incident to come forward and make statements to the clubs/ local police. If the issue is just swept under the carpet, similar incidents will occur in future and damage your clubs reputation.
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To be fair in this I mentioned photos/video earlier in this thread. I feel it should be down to the LSV/police/press at the request of the police who should be publishing these photos and requesting information and not a wronged fan. While I am not doubting the allegations, I personally didn't see anything. This smacks a little bit of a kangaroo court. Give the photos to the LSV and the police and let them deal with it as they feel fit.
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It's all about the process of gathering evidence isn't it to be fair. Yes, this person can't defend himself on here but given that 4 people have already identified him as someone who when questioned on the day, that he admitted it was him being racist by saying 'i'm allowed to be' then he's one of the only people we can be sure of. For most of the game these Fax fans would be hearing it behind them but looking at the pitch so if it was a group of 10, would be hard to give a positive ID on more than a few, which is the case so far as it appears to be 3 that did enough to clearly get noticed. If a fax fans started saying 'aye, it was him, him, him her, him etc' while looking at the photo that's clearly bull and is plucking people out just because they are in that area. But at this moment, given these 3 are the ones mainly mentioned, it's worth looking at the CCTV of these 3 during the game and if these are the ones being spoken to by the stewards then they haven't got much defence as all roads lead to them.
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I have personally, along with a lot of other people I know of, to make the RFL, Leigh and Fax know of these people!! I have watched a lot of rugby league over the years amateur, professional both as a fan and as a guest of officials and I have never experienced this sort of situation again and will do my upmost to ensure that these people do not ruin our brilliant game there is no place in rugby league for thugs and racists
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| Quote ="DemonUK"To be fair in this I mentioned photos/video earlier in this thread. I feel it should be down to the LSV/police/press at the request of the police who should be publishing these photos and requesting information and not a wronged fan. While I am not doubting the allegations, I personally didn't see anything. This smacks a little bit of a kangaroo court. Give the photos to the LSV and the police and let them deal with it as they feel fit.'"
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Incidents like this are a police matter, give them the evidence and I am sure they will look at the cctv and talk to the steward and anyone else they could talk to who were on that picture although I am sure 95% of the them would be annoyed they were being questioned about racist behaviour
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ive already posted my feelings on this subject and about these people on another thread so ive nothing else to say other than,read demon uk's post again because its those orgaizations that should be handling this and not a rl forum.
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