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| Quote ="EVO105"Do you know what you are on about, KC was key to the most expansive free flowing Saints side in history, i really do think you post for a reaction'"
KC lost his job because of the style he played. If it was expansive free flowing rugby he'd still be there. You have your reaction,try matching it.
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| Quote ="atomic"KC lost his job because of the style he played. If it was expansive free flowing rugby he'd still be there. You have your reaction,try matching it.'"
He knows different game management systems / play but chooses this method, i dont aagree but to suggest he knows nothing else is wrong
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| Quote ="Snowy"Reynolds is just not good enough, plain and simple.
I dont know what hold he has, but he should be nowhere near the team.
Even the interception he threw to Key was 2 yards forward !!
Anyway, revenge next time ? I thought Toronto was pretty average to be fair and nothing special. Us on the other hand just gave up thinking we was going to cake walk it ! Got what we deserved !
It will be interesting to see how we respond.'"
I have to agree with you on Reynolds. I have always said I don't rate him, certainly he will never be the playmaking halfback we need to return to SL!
Mortimer has got to go to Halfback and partner Hutchison, its plainly obvious to all that this is our best combination! Mortimer is not as physical as Hood and Hood is playing very well so cant be left out for me!
Baptiste will add some go forward and speed down the middle so that should improve the speed of our play the ball!
To be quite honest, our Right Edge is appalling much like it was the whole of last season! The lack of understanding/ability between Crookes and Dawson is embarrassing considering the amount of times they have played together! Obviously Evans will replace one of them, probably Crookes as we need more speed and flair in the Centre!
Our Pack also looked dwarfed by the 'Exiles' at times and, that worries me too! Cory looked like he'd played for 'them' for years which just underlined what a good player he is ! (big loss for me)
Of course its early days however, the manner and size of the defeat should sound alarm bells to our coaching staff! If doesn't then, we are in big trouble!!
P.S. you are correct Reynolds pass, which Kay intercepted was indeed forward too!
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| Another major failing on Sunday was our goal line kicking! Failing? it was none existent !! irrespective of what the Coaches had told the players to do, once our players saw the banal and futile plays we offered they, should have taken it upon themselves to introduce the kicks and, if they didn't spot the deficiency in our play then we really are, in trouble!
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| Quote ="kirkhall"I have to agree with you on Reynolds. I have always said I don't rate him, certainly he will never be the playmaking halfback we need to return to SL!
Mortimer has got to go to Halfback and partner Hutchison, its plainly obvious to all that this is our best combination! Mortimer is not as physical as Hood and Hood is playing very well so cant be left out for me!
Baptiste will add some go forward and speed down the middle so that should improve the speed of our play the ball!
To be quite honest, our Right Edge is appalling much like it was the whole of last season! The lack of understanding/ability between Crookes and Dawson is embarrassing considering the amount of times they have played together! Obviously Evans will replace one of them, probably Crookes as we need more speed and flair in the Centre!
Our Pack also looked dwarfed by the 'Exiles' at times and, that worries me too! Cory looked like he'd played for 'them' for years which just underlined what a good player he is ! (big loss for me)
Of course its early days however, the manner and size of the defeat should sound alarm bells to our coaching staff! If doesn't then, we are in big trouble!!
P.S. you are correct Reynolds pass, which Kay intercepted was indeed forward too!'"
Totally agree. Reynolds is fit and willing but doesn’t have the quick thinking needed at halfback. He would make a fine full back and that would release Hall to centre. Would like to see Hall taking penalties too - we are making woeful yardage with touch finding.
Only 2 games to get it right before Fev show up.
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| Quote ="scrum"Are there bigger changes coming? Michael John Norris resigned as a director of Sporting Club Leigh Ltd on the 24/01/1918 [Companies House. He owned at least 25% of the shares no new director is yet listed. I have not seen any statement from the club on this issue, can anyone throw any light on this?'"
Michael and I both got involved at the same time, and went school together at Twelves then Thornleigh but it was well after 1918 despite what folk say. Anybody will tell you that running your business and being hands on at the club is at best a challenge - Michaels business takes him to London for the foreseeable future, you will find him most matchdays with his Dad n lads in the west stand - he got his dates wrong and ended up in Ibiza last weekend which turned out to be a masterstroke imo.
So another non story from Mr Scrum again.
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| Quote ="JackDiggle"Totally agree. Reynolds is fit and willing but doesn’t have the quick thinking needed at halfback. He would make a fine full back and that would release Hall to centre. Would like to see Hall taking penalties too - we are making woeful yardage with touch finding.
Only 2 games to get it right before Fev show up.'"
What do we know Jack? we're only spectators however, there seems to be a groundswell of opinion supporting our observations!
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| Quote ="EVO105"He knows different game management systems / play but chooses this method, i dont aagree but to suggest he knows nothing else is wrong'"
If he knows different management systems other than structural then we should see that employed v Batley. I'm not questioning his experience, but if they go down the lines of Sundays system again,we'll be taking another beating.
So lots to be proven at present, both on/off field. Let's see what unfolds and hopefully I eat my words.
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| Quote ="gunners guns13"They've had a full pre season so if they're 80%away from what the coaches want I'd be asking serious questions,our game plan in that simple full time professional players should be able to pick it up in a couple of weeks especially when some of the spine was here last year'"
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| Quote ="kirkhall"I have to agree with you on Reynolds. I have always said I don't rate him, certainly he will never be the playmaking halfback we need to return to SL!
Mortimer has got to go to Halfback and partner Hutchison, its plainly obvious to all that this is our best combination! Mortimer is not as physical as Hood and Hood is playing very well so cant be left out for me!
Baptiste will add some go forward and speed down the middle so that should improve the speed of our play the ball!
To be quite honest, our Right Edge is appalling much like it was the whole of last season! The lack of understanding/ability between Crookes and Dawson is embarrassing considering the amount of times they have played together! Obviously Evans will replace one of them, probably Crookes as we need more speed and flair in the Centre!
Our Pack also looked dwarfed by the 'Exiles' at times and, that worries me too! Cory looked like he'd played for 'them' for years which just underlined what a good player he is ! (big loss for me)
Of course its early days however, the manner and size of the defeat should sound alarm bells to our coaching staff! If doesn't then, we are in big trouble!!
P.S. =#FF0000you are correct Reynolds pass, which Kay intercepted was indeed forward too!'"
Doubtful if Liam would have reached it had it not been so far forward! He seemed quite surprised when it arrived at him.
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| Quote ="kirkhall"Another major failing on Sunday was our goal line kicking! Failing? it was none existent !! irrespective of what the Coaches had told the players to do, once our players saw the banal and futile plays we offered they, should have taken it upon themselves to introduce the kicks and, if they didn't spot the deficiency in our play then we really are, in trouble!'"
I can probably be accused of not being au fait with modern RL tactics. However, to my simple mind, if you kick a penalty 40 yards (probably metres these days) you have 30 yards less to run than if you kick it 10 yards?! Oh for a kicker who can make ground on penalty kicks.........
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| Quote ="Alan"I can probably be accused of not being au fait with modern RL tactics. However, to my simple mind, if you kick a penalty 40 yards (probably metres these days) you have 30 yards less to run than if you kick it 10 yards?! Oh for a kicker who can make ground on penalty kicks.........'"
Agree with you there Alan, been saying the same for ages - why kick it it in row "Z" 10 meters up when you can kick it in row "M" 30 meters up practice, practice, practice
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| It’s infuriating when you could be on their line and your still a way out, even more so if you mess up on first tackle. If I was a forward I’d tell the kicker to tap it and get us 20 yards. If you miss 1 long kick in 10
You still have opposition down by their line.
Conversely taking short high kick offs gives you a chance to get ball back..worth losing a few yards for and chances of touch or knock on.
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| Quote ="JackDiggle"It’s infuriating when you could be on their line and your still a way out, even more so if you mess up on first tackle. If I was a forward I’d tell the kicker to tap it and get us 20 yards. If you miss 1 long kick in 10
You still have opposition down by their line.
Conversely taking short high kick offs gives you a chance to get ball back..worth losing a few yards for and chances of touch or knock on.'"
Our kick offs, just like the majority of SL, are so predictable. Most of the opposition may as well be taking on water, while the known catcher feeds the prop for a drive! After the first three on Sunday, it was obvious Brierley wasn't going to drop the ball - heck, he didn't have to move much to catch it! Remember the awkward kick offs Nanyn and Ridyard used to fire at the opposition? They were actually an attacking weapon!
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| Quote ="maurice"Michael and I both got involved at the same time, and went school together at Twelves then Thornleigh but it was well after 1918 despite what folk say. Anybody will tell you that running your business and being hands on at the club is at best a challenge - Michaels business takes him to London for the foreseeable future, you will find him most matchdays with his Dad n lads in the west stand - he got his dates wrong and ended up in Ibiza last weekend which turned out to be a masterstroke imo.
So another non story from Mr Scrum again.'"
I asked a reasonable question
You wrote the Story Mr Maurice
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| Quote ="Alan"Our kick offs, just like the majority of SL, are so predictable. Most of the opposition may as well be taking on water, while the known catcher feeds the prop for a drive!
After the first three on Sunday, it was obvious Brierley wasn't going to drop the ball - heck, he didn't have to move much to catch it! Remember the awkward kick offs Nanyn and Ridyard used to fire at the opposition? They were actually an attacking weapon!'"
Did you see the kick offs from the HKR scrum half last night? They cause mayhem in the Leeds ranks.
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| Quote ="THECherry&Whites"Did you see the kick offs from the HKR scrum half last night? They cause mayhem in the Leeds ranks.'"
Missed that C&W. Mixing the kick offs can be a potent weapon, especially with the number we had to do last week! Kicking it to the same player, in the hope that he eventually drops one, was never going to succeed last week. Ryan may have had his weaknesses (although they weren't obvious last week!) but he's never had a problem with catching the ball. In the 'bad old days', we used to repeatedly kick to Rob Worrincy, who had a 'weakness' under a kick, according to the coaching team. My heart was in my mouth, as he always used to catch the ball, and gain huge ground.
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| Quote ="Alan"Missed that C&W. Mixing the kick offs can be a potent weapon, especially with the number we had to do last week! Kicking it to the same player, in the hope that he eventually drops one, was never going to succeed last week. Ryan may have had his weaknesses (although they weren't obvious last week!) but he's never had a problem with catching the ball. In the 'bad old days', we used to repeatedly kick to Rob Worrincy, who had a 'weakness' under a kick, according to the coaching team. My heart was in my mouth, as he always used to catch the ball, and gain huge ground.'"
No coach, but whether it is to the same player or not is irrelevant IMO as the chances of someone dropping it is unlikely.
I presume the whole point is to have the ball hanging in the air for as long as possible so the defensive line can get down the field as far as possible
HKR was an interesting one, skimming it across the floor and therefore an unpredictable bounce - be interesting to see if it catches on
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| Quote ="ColD"No coach, but whether it is to the same player or not is irrelevant IMO as the chances of someone dropping it is unlikely.
I presume the whole point is to have the ball hanging in the air for as long as possible so the defensive line can get down the field as far as possible
HKR was an interesting one, skimming it across the floor and therefore an unpredictable bounce - be interesting to see if it catches on'"
Yes, Its a punt,the positioning of the ball on the tee is often obscure to obtain height and distance at a slow pace. It usually arrives at the same position because thats the kickers maximum range.
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| Ridyard's (and Nanyn's before him) were landing in the in-goal are, but spiralling, to make them difficult to catch. No sacrificing distance, but causing trouble for the would-be catcher. Often, Ridyard's kick -offs were dropped, or bounced, going dead. It's a skill that can surely be acquired, by a half-decent kicker?
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| Quote ="Alan"Ridyard's (and Nanyn's before him) were landing in the in-goal are, but spiralling, to make them difficult to catch. No sacrificing distance, but causing trouble for the would-be catcher. Often, Ridyard's kick -offs were dropped, or bounced, going dead. It's a skill that can surely be acquired, by a half-decent kicker?'"
Only takes practice but they've not got time with them being full time professional's
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| Quote ="gunners guns13"Only takes practice but they've not got time with them being full time professional's
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They used to have one of the best modern-day kickers on the coaching team, but he didn't/couldn't get through to them last season.
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| Quote ="Alan"Ridyard's (and Nanyn's before him) were landing in the in-goal are, but spiralling, to make them difficult to catch. No sacrificing distance, but causing trouble for the would-be catcher. Often, Ridyard's kick -offs were dropped, or bounced, going dead. It's a skill that can surely be acquired, by a half-decent kicker?'"
Doesn't the new ruling place emphasis on not kicking the ball directly into the in-goal area Alan.
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| Quote ="atomic"Doesn't the new ruling place emphasis on not kicking the ball directly into the in-goal area Alan.'"
New rules?! Drat, I haven't mastered the old ones yet?
Point taken, but I still maintain that it should be possible to make life very difficult for the catcher, rather than serving possession up on a plate for him. Maybe a cunning, spiralling kick aimed for just short of the tryline?
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| Quote ="atomic"Doesn't the new ruling place emphasis on not kicking the ball directly into the in-goal area Alan.'"
From a kick off Bizzare ruling if that's the case
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