be stupid in my opinion not to announce a reduced crowd in a shared gate, just look at the crowd figures for the super league play offs

I only ask as I fulfilled the same role in a Challenge Cup game at the same venue last season (although it does also come under the jurisdiction of the match commissioner believe it or not). They do have an electronic system to a certain degree in terms of coming through the turnstiles etc, although there are tricks that can be pulled if the individual turnstiles aren't 'zeroed'. If there's any suspicion that any club is on the fiddle then a) I'd hope (key word) the RFL would be wise to it and b) that other clubs exercise their right to monitor things, though maybe they're unwilling to do so in an 'honour amongst thieves' type of scenario?

We did do checks at away grounds 5/6 years ago for split gates , and had opposition officials do the same to us

Stupid or illegal take your pick, its bl**dy fraud.

Fred is right. Matter closed.

Very surprised this thread has gone down this road as far as it has tbh

The point is whether I like it or not, which I do think ,we are definitely behind Fev at the moment despite our I believe campaign, which IMHO , why have a huge flag inside the ground telling us that do believe is going to help us achieve SL !

I don't see why you are surprised, a positive thread about somebody else was always going to be sabotaged by the resident curmudgeons. If Fev do get a place in the SL they will be absolutely slaughtered by the usual suspects.

Well I thought it may get people to come up with some feed back on how we can possibly get back in the race.
IMHO the crowds and community work are were we are behind FEV, we are now trying to address the community side of things so we are left with attendances. What can we do to get more fans through the turnstiles?

We have much more potential than Fev.

There are too many Yorkshire teams in the top league already. They will never be better supported than Cas.

They are a pit village with no chance of ever drawing 2500 fans of their own. The terracing behind both ends is tiny and far too steep.

Daryl Powell has halitosis and they fiddle their gate figures.

Where would you put our flag Lynda ?

Oh and their pitch obviously suffers from subsidence. We must have a team with a level playing field.

Yep i think your right on this one reffy

Well Reffy obviously did not mean me.

Fact' after this season ends NO Championship club will ever get a franchise/licencse.

Re the flag
Somewhere were the unconverted will see it, top of the town hall, library.

I would think so tbh but also think the chances of any team getting in are slim to none. I think our experience last time with the last set of licenses probably stands us in good stead and we probably made just enough noise to the RFL to make a good case to be included.

I heard financially we are a better prospect than both Fev and Leigh(Especially now Probiz got involved

) but thats really just hear say and its hard to say in that respect. In that regard all 3 teams are probably a better financial risk than the majority of SL but that really dosnt seem to add any weight in the RFL eyes.

Again on the fieid dosnt matter but since licensing was introduced Fax are the only team to win both major trophies.

The thing is though when you compare Fax and Leigh they are very similar and there isnt really that much that lets them down apart from the crowds but when you look at Fev you look at their crowds and their ground and do you really think they have a cat in hells chance of getting in to SL with their old ramshackle ground? The RFL do not want old traditional grounds in SL and if they had their way everyone would be playing at shiny new stadia with great facilities. Fev have no chance.

We will only believe IF they will truly believe by stopping the soundbites and living the SL message/goal, like Fev are.

Disillusioned fans need hope, do we have a top table capable of leading a marketing charge to a SL vision - NO.

We have honest individuals doing a great job of getting a quart out of a pint, but are unwilling to put money in, can't attract anyone who has and have no marketing/sales skills.

Perception is king and current local perception is 'whats the point' Fevs perception is 'We will be in'. Should they fail, as we did, then it will be interesting how they pick themselves up and sell a new dream as they have never had to do that before, and whether the money sticks around.

We are short of money and a leader - I don't know where they will come from if at all. We have fantastic facilities and would pull far greater crowds than Fev with far greater income streams due to the facilities. I wish we had a fit and healthy AT now, working with the admin/finance team we have in place - we would be a shoe in.

In the meantime the loyal 1400 will be there, slowly diminishing every year as we populate the terrace in the sky - unless we improve in selling the dream.

That's all well and good in an ideal world Mo but IMO Fev , Fax and Leigh are doing things the right way with the slowly slowly catchy monkey approach , there's no point flogging a dead horse and throwing good money after bad to achieve a somewhat impossible dream .

Until we know which way the RFL cats going to jump next time and where they're shifting the goal posts to then it's sensible for us top untwinned clubs in the Championship to live within our means and enjoy whatever relative success comes our way .

OK thanks for the reply mate, i to don't think there's anything between Leigh and Fax, and Fev in my view.

If, as we all wish, P & R comes back as the only method of changing divisions then resources will have to be concentrated on where it counts, on the pitch. It is stating the obvious but it is the only criterion that matters in a fan's eyes.

Fev have spent a lot to get where they are we have not get the money as yet

Dont be fooled by the village thing, Rovers have the support of nearby towns of knottingley and ponte as well as all the surrounding villages we can pull from a fairly big population, many times in our history have we pulled bigger crowds than Cas and we can again. They got 9k against Lees with 4k Leeds there, that leaves them 5k fans. We got nearly 2.5k against barrow so were not that far behind them. Saying we will never pull 2500 of our own fans is stupid i would like to bet you a wager we top that this season. The terracing behind 1 goal is already gone and the pitch will be levelled.

My post was tongue in cheek mate.

Are you for real our crowds are much bigger than yours and Leighs you moron, and how many times do you need telling the ground is being renovated as we speak, Keep telling yourself we have no chance old lad

Right ok
None the less that is a view that many ignorant people hold about Rovers and its wrong, Rovers would average 6/7 k in the top flight no bother

So the pitch will be levelled and relaid over winter 2013/14. And ready for beginning of Feb.....ok. Unless you play out of Cas next season of course.

Are all these towns and villages you talk about the same places cas go hunting for fans?