Well if you want franchising enjoy looking from the outside- because we wouldn't get a ticket.
Funny how we wanted promotion/relegation when we were in the champ

20 years playing not a lot watching my 20 years involves a grand final win and two Wembley finals. Not interested in watching the game now . I do know how the development system works though and you don't do you.

Just because we don't get first pick, doesn't mean its not worth having a youth system.

We don't get first pick when going for first team players, should we scrap the first team as well?

Just because a player excels at one level and is thought to be the best - if we have good coaches then the coaches' skills will be the missing ingredient to make the player better.

What is the point of running an academy ?

To produce players capable of competing at whatever level you are playing

So we need to develop whatever players we can find after our local ( and not so local ) competitors have taken their pick ( this is at scholarship level , so 11/12 year olds ) , to the point where they can step in and perform to the same level as our existing squad

If by chance we do manage to do that , and they start to impress , we then stand a good chance of losing them to our bigger rivals

How many players realistically come through the British junior system every year and then go on to play SL for their full ( 10 years ) career ?

From our financial point of view right now it isn't worth it , as regards us not having 1 st pick of players , well you are right , we need to emulate Cas , who have a team of relatively ' regular ' players , who the coach has moulded into the best ' team ' in SL this year

I didn't mention franchising. SL will evolve similar to the NRL.No need for SL academies as they'll have feeder clubs.The youth will be fed to the feeder clubs.

Can you put the link that says this so it can be justifiedicon_wink.gif

Don't know how the Aussie system works TBH- how do they decide who is and isn't in the equivalent of SL

And we'd be the feeder club.

Well that's the way I'd see it unless I'm missing something

No you don't need to be a feeder club pro teams in nrl do have feeder clubs but not all of them they play n several comps. Nswrlc and qc just two of many . Leigh could have a feeder club pick from several but the feeder club would have to play in reserve league but then could not have junior sides as BARLA run those .trying to find an example for you but struggling . In Australia they leave the amateur clubs alone to develop kids upto 16 then bring them in to the feeder club . It's much more based on education at the moment in oz . Can be done in Leigh but Derek does not have the backing of all the amateur teams in Leigh , so could destabilise the grass roots game in the area. That will never happen

So how many lads who started as juniors at East/Rangers are currently playing in first teams at Wigan Wire or Saints

How many have played Test match rugby in the last twenty years

Dominic man Fred I , josh woods micky higham sam Hopkins , ruddy, why do you just say Wigan watrrington and saints . We in this country tend to look for the kids who standout in Australia they look for attitude then coach the skills into them . We are way behind . A fully well structured academy will always produce . Or maybe you just keep paying into the pocket of over age . How many aussies have made a success from nrl to sl

I don't follow your point ?

you said Wiggin have first choice so how many have we lost to them and the others when we have not even been in the ball game
I don't know the answer thought you might

Are you just referring to East/Rangers players ?

That doesn't work as a point of reference , we wouldn't just recruit from those 2 clubs , the question you need to ask is how many players does SL ( it is SL we are discussing here ) need each year to replace retiring players ?

He's just being negative as usual

so none then.
im sure the coaches of the most winning team we have had in the country the cyclists will say they coach attitude as well very harshly as some have complained

nice to see coaches coaching session at lsv today we need fully trained coaches across all sports

how many aussies have made a success here surely too many to mention,how many have gone the other way very few

you obviously do not follow the amateur game as I do one of the hot talents in the game at the moment is a lad from east called Ryan Horne we St. Helens snatched him from under the noses of Wigan and the rest . Rangers also Have least 5 or 6 on the radar of prem clubs but you keep your rose specs on and I will keep to the grass roots and I promise you I will see more future internationals that you will ever see. Our coaches will start coming through and surpass any of those dollar pinching striped shirt aussies .

Bongser doesn't follow the amateur sides much it has to be said and you may very well be right in all that you say. He does however follow the forum hither and thither on various boards and thinks that your posting style reminds him of someone.

He may be wrong. He often is.

bands if your thinking of mr c then I have to admit I was one of the few people who hacked his account a while ago , he knows that I am on here again ' now he is not very well at the moment but he as lots and lots of people around who respect him and will do anything for him .

A lot of people on here are just bully's and they would run a mile if keith was ten years younger. We continue to monitor this forum to gather evidence and discuss it with him we have known him for many years he as coached many kids through to the pro game me being one of them . We will not see him suffer . Now that you have sniffed me out B and B I will step back but me and a couple of friends will be keeping an eye out for our mate .goodbye

You might have noticed there are certain posters currently ' infesting ' our board who I refuse to reply to , I don't reply to posters who use multiple ' persona's '

lol you just have done pmsl. Now get your sweet wife to ban me but I will be back

Thanks hope you have not left.I don't follow the amateur game closely. I appreciated Mr C's contributions to enlighten the forum on that aspect and wish him well.
I do not know what you mean "rose specs".
Nice to hear one lad signed. Pity it wasn't for us.
Reports suggest participation has fallen since the move to summer rugby. Is that the case locally?
Did I read one Yorkshire league has moved to 11 a side? We see Wayne Bennett scouring the NRL for England qualified players for our test team.
Watching it seems the wrestling coaches are having more impact on our game than the basic skills ones. I know Wiggin and Stains engaged wrestling coaches. I saw Widnes players at the judo club.
Whats happening in Wiggin. Do the main club
help fund Pats and Judes for player development.

Quote ="ColD"Don't know how the Aussie system works TBH- how do they decide who is and isn't in the equivalent of SL'" As from 2018 the current youth competition is replaced,see the link below.What it doesn't say is its all completely funded along with resources by the NRL. https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-an ... 87c0d0fcd3

Quote ="ColD"Don't know how the Aussie system works TBH- how do they decide who is and isn't in the equivalent of SL'" As from 2018 the current youth competition is replaced,see the link below.What it doesn't say is its all completely funded along with resources by the NRL. https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-an ... 87c0d0fcd3