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| Quote ="DemonUK"A genuine question for you Mish. If he was suspended from the club how come he did some work on the market stall and also go training in Chorley with them in July/August.'"
I don't know Derek.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"A genuine question for you Mish. If he was suspended from the club how come he did some work on the market stall and also go training in Chorley with them in July/August.'"
Do you have any factual evidence to back your statement up? Probably you should be careful in what you say.
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| Quote ="mish"I don't know Derek.'"
I think you may possibly have been misinformed. For what reason I don't know.
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| Quote ="atomic"Do you have any factual evidence to back your statement up? Probably you should be careful in what you say.'"
Hi Atomic, you are right in that people should be careful what they say. In fact that is something you should sometimes take heed to. For facts I advise you to check the twitter feeds of both Leigh RL Retail and Bob Beswick who both promoted his stall attendance, there were also pictures of Bob training when they went to do some altitude training mid season. Most people know I rarely post things which are not fact especially with the purpose of trying to stir things up.
Enjoy looking for the facts which exist in public view and probably best not to get involved in something you don't know anything about. I certainly don't know all the facts, but the ones I know seem to go against what was posted a little earlier in this thread.
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| So Bob's been working on the market has he ?
Smells a bit [ifishy[/i to me ! Quite sure [ieel[/i have just been [icodding[/i !
Come to think of it, I am sure I saw him with some [iold trout[/i.
Playing for Leigh & living the [iBreem[/i
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"So Bob's been working on the market has he ?
Smells a bit [ifishy[/i to me ! Quite sure [ieel[/i have just been [icodding[/i !
Come to think of it, I am sure I saw him with some [iold trout[/i.
Playing for Leigh & living the [iBreem[/i'"
He's rode off now on his motor[i pike[/i and side [icarp[/i.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Hi Atomic, you are right in that people should be careful what they say. In fact that is something you should sometimes take heed to. For facts I advise you to check the twitter feeds of both Leigh RL Retail and Bob Beswick who both promoted his stall attendance, there were also pictures of Bob training when they went to do some altitude training mid season. Most people know I rarely post things which are not fact especially with the purpose of trying to stir things up.
Enjoy looking for the facts which exist in public view and probably best not to get involved in something you don't know anything about. I certainly don't know all the facts, but the ones I know seem to go against what was posted a little earlier in this thread.'"
Have you never thought that it might just have been part of his contract? And the same with Liam too. You can be suspended but still have to carry out required appearances and training sessions etc. This is not an unusual situation if the relationship between players and clubs break down - and it's been going on for donkeys years, just ask Alex Murphy what happened to him at St Helens before he came to Leigh. They suspended him and banned him from training with any of the team but he was still required to go and train daily on his own. It was the club being awkward you see - that's what some clubs do when they have a disagreement with a player.
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| So are you saying that what I wrote in my previous post doesn't happen today? (I would also include smilies if you think it doesn't). Honestly it does; it's legal and it's not that unusual - just ask any rugby player you know.
As for the Toronto thing, then I suppose I'll keep my eye on them throughout the year just as most of us will.
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| ???? What happened to Demon's post then? He said that what I wrote above wasn't legal today and I was just replying then 'poof' the post has disappeared!!
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| Sorry I posted twice and deleted both by mistake. I said employment laws were different 40 years ago. I said absolutely nothing about it not being legal. You are now choosing to change my words to suit. I know nothing more. You only know what you are being told to write. Certain people's battles with the club are now boring and old hat. Take it you won't be buying a ST or even watching judging by your post.
One more question what are your motives behind these allegations?
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Sorry I posted twice and deleted both by mistake. I said employment laws were different 40 years ago. I said absolutely nothing about it not being legal. You are now choosing to change my words to suit. I know nothing more. You only know what you are being told to write. Certain people's battles with the club are now boring and old hat. Take it you won't be buying a ST or even watching judging by your post.
One more question what are your motives behind these allegations?'"
Well it's either legal or illegal so the actual wording is irrelevant; and can I ask who you think is telling me to write?
Don't presume anything. I'm a Leigh fan and always have been. I haven't been to a game for more than a year because of health reasons so does that make me any less of a fan? Maybe so.
BTW don't feel obliged to reply to my posts if it's boring or old hat, just move along. Someone started a post about Bob Beswick and as it's a forum, I'm replying and responding to others - and just because I'm a lone voice doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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| Disciplinary hearing would follow suspension, doubt a 7 month gap would be reasonable
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| Someone appears to be getting confused with suspension vs being told not to train with first team as they wont be selected.....
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| Employment Law is never quite as cut and dried as people think and often things only become clear once someone has actually gone to an employment tribunal, but as most cases get settled out of court people think such and such must be right because they paid up, when often it’s just easier to pay them off and get shut. Allardyce as just walked away with an alleged £1 million from his employer did his employer do anything wrong or need to pay anything?
It is quite feasible that BB contracted duties not only included playing but community and commercial work, if he has been disciplined by the club for perhaps let’s say playing the wrong tunes in the changing rooms, then they could say we are suspending you from that aspect of your duties however you will continue to work for the company in the other roles and are free to train elsewhere or on your own. Even if he wasn’t contracted to do other duties the company could still put him on other duties if they feel he is unable to fulfil his original duties, in the same way as a company who employs a delivery driver but he then gets band or ill health stops him from driving they could offer he a role in packing, rather than sack him for not fulfilling his contracted duties, he could of course if he didn’t want to do those duties resign, but most take up the new role at least until they find alternative employment.
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Someone appears to be getting confused with suspension vs being told not to train with first team as they wont be selected.....'"
LOL you're just an idiot.
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| Quote ="glow"Employment Law is never quite as cut and dried as people think and often things only become clear once someone has actually gone to an employment tribunal, but as most cases get settled out of court people think such and such must be right because they paid up, when often it’s just easier to pay them off and get shut. Allardyce as just walked away with an alleged £1 million from his employer did his employer do anything wrong or need to pay anything?
It is quite feasible that BB contracted duties not only included playing but community and commercial work, if he has been disciplined by the club for perhaps let’s say playing the wrong tunes in the changing rooms, then they could say we are suspending you from that aspect of your duties however you will continue to work for the company in the other roles and are free to train elsewhere or on your own. Even if he wasn’t contracted to do other duties the company could still put him on other duties if they feel he is unable to fulfil his original duties, in the same way as a company who employs a delivery driver but he then gets band or ill health stops him from driving they could offer he a role in packing, rather than sack him for not fulfilling his contracted duties, he could of course if he didn’t want to do those duties resign, but most take up the new role at least until they find alternative employment.'"
This.
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| Seems like people still like to go looking for a smoking gun as a result of Rowley's morals and ethics interview...
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| Seems Glows and Tipsters posts fit together quite well actually Mish, so you were probably a little harsh on Tipster. So I would say at this point nothing to see here and we move on, onwards and upwards.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Seems Glows and Tipsters posts fit together quite well actually Mish, so you were probably a little harsh on Tipster. So I would say at this point nothing to see here and we move on, onwards and upwards.'"
Don't be so patronising, Tricky was way off the mark (as usual) and Glow was bang on. The two posts are poles apart.
Now why don't you just run along.
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| Then again, he may have been suffering an achilles injury? Who knows, eh?!
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| Quote ="glow"often things only become clear once someone has actually gone to an employment tribunal, but as most cases get settled out of court people think such and such must be right because they paid up, when often it’s just easier to pay them off and get shut. '"
& sometimes an employer or organisation do not want their dirty linen aired in public, especially if they are morally or in fact just plain corrupt.
I have known a guy who walked away with exactly what he wanted, given that he could have taken several managers diwn with him & exposed the organisations dirty tactics.
This is the whistle blower era we live in now, I wouldn't hesitate to go public if the need arose.
*nothing wrong with your post Glow* just another angle to consider from experience*
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| Quote ="mish"LOL you're just an idiot.'"
Cheers love, you forgot highly paid before the word idiot....
All the best
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| Quote ="mish"Don't be so patronising, Tricky was way off the mark (as usual) and Glow was bang on. The two posts are poles apart.
Now why don't you just run along.'"
I will not run along thank you very much. Nothing patronising. Just pointing out they both said similar things. Now stop trying to stir up trouble and run along dear. There is that patronising enough. Bye
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| Quote ="Alan"Then again, he may have been suffering an achilles injury? Who knows, eh?!'"
Take something at face value?! Don't be ridiculous!
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| Quote ="mish"I'm replying and responding to others - and just because I'm a lone voice doesn't mean I'm wrong.'"
In "1984", Orwell defines an idiot as a minority of one. Probably best not to paint others as idiots. Just a THOUGHT!
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