Everything i was thinking and you know what your talking about and it comes across in your post,very well put ,im just fed up with all the negativity that comes across from certain posts as soon as there is a loss or a win for that matter ,dont get me wrong im just as frustrated as the next person but then i just look forward to the next game .

we were beaten by an improving toulouse side,but we stood off them and allowed their halfbacks to run the show.kelly and rowley must see that one man rugby is not going to win us games,neither is doing his usual trick of waiting for the fans to sing jamie durbins name before putting him on.Dont blame the team for a poor display,the tactics come from the coaches.

But we were averaging 2500+ a few years ago - the fans HAVE turned up in the past but as the quality has worsened the crowds are falling.

We can't keep blaming the fans - no one pays good money for nothing. If the club had maintained rugby standards when the crowds were higher then when we moved to LSV we could possibly have expected about another 500 - 1000.

The club has to take most of the blame due to bad management, I mean who would have taken on an unqualified coach? Our playing quality has been reduced each season so the drop in fans should not be a surprise. Come on guys, do your bit first and the fans will return. Do nothing and we will soon be on a par with Swinton / Rochdale etc.

I wish there were this many chickens and eggs come breakfast time in Toulouse.

If the players decide they aint playing for the coach is it time for a new coach?

Is that an hyperthetical question?

Not from what i'm hearing.

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leigh press the self detruct button again!

We may be seeing the same smoke, lets see.

Hmmm... if thats true, it would be interesting to hear if the same person having a hand in it as last time. He should have gone then, but instead was bumped up and/or across, no matter how much of a hero he was on the pitch.

Whos to say who was in the right or in the wrong last time?
Benson lost control plain and simple.
Did you ever hear about the Video session and Deal or no Deal?

Nope

The contestants black mailing Noel Edmonds and the banker beacuse of a sex scandal caught on video, i heard that to

The Story goes that all the players were sat round the TV to watch the Video of the previous game, the first thing that came on the TV was deal or no deal, a certain large bald Yorkshire fellow demanded that the channel not be changed until he had watched the conclusion and all the players and coach did as he said and sat waiting until he was ready and let them turn the DVD on!!! Discipline wasn't the order of the day in that season i'm afraid!

I do think it's time for a new coach - a brand new coach, not one who's already here.

But to answer your question, a coach should always have total control of his players and have confidence that the board will back him rather than the players - so no IMO, if the players won't play for the coach then they should be shown the door. A coach is the boss, full stop, if the players don't like it then they should leave.

That's just for the players though - once the speccies and board have lost confidence in the coach then he should be gone - end of!

Well said.


Also are we really going down that well trodden road again of another coach change ?

If the mechanic is blind and cant find the manual, its no good blaming the tools in the box.

As Confucius once said

I have faith in Neil Kelly. And I do.

Changing the coach would achieve zero IMO.

Facts are we are a club that is unable or unwilling to spend money.

I suspect its being run as well as the current people in charge can do it (and i'm no fan of AT etc) and is there a real need to invest in a league that has lost its identity this season

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We have a young(ish) squad that is NOT and was NEVER going to finish in the top 4, we have however slipped in certain games regarding effort /concentration.
Concentration is understandable, effort is unforgivable, tiredness does play a part though with some pretty dire fixture planning for a part time club.

For me this season I want Leigh to compete with Doncaster, Batley, Whitehaven, Sheffield & Gateshead (pre Gateshead imploding i'd have settled for the others), I hope Leigh could finish top of this smaller financed group.
Playing and competeing against the full timers and big spenders is off the menu for a while.....maybe a long while



Getting rid of another coach would be a bad move.
Sorting the club out off the field to maximise opportunitys to bring in finance and realise what potential there is in the town/area is a must for those currently running the club.

It's ridiculous that people are even considering getting rid of the coach as an option, we need some stability all over the club, we need the attendances to increase and stay that way (will be hard at the moment for numerous reasons, recession poor rugby etc) a team that is together for more than 1 season (not just starting a fresh with a completely new team every year) and stick with a coach with that same team, they wil get to kno each other strengths and weaknesses!

Someone has mentioned they are only training together 3 hours a week it's no wonder our rugby is so flat no one will have a clue what anyone else is likely to do! give em a chance if we stay up we can hopefully add to the squad and get better next year and the year after!

they ave been training mon, wed, fri and sat morning upto the last couple of weeks due to games been on diff days,wot i dont think sum people realize is that the players dont ave there own gym to use at the club so ave to make there own arrangements which for sum means going on their nites off from training at leigh so you cud say sum train 5 nites a week aswell as work thru the day

It's a credit to semi-professional players. I was always of the opinion they work harder than your top professionals in Super League.

Depends who let them go out on the razz? Did they go on their own accord or did Kelly know?

But the players in Toulouse didn,t go out on the razz.

Absolutely right Frank. From what we saw over the weekend they were all extremely professional & well behaved.