Crowther = yes
King = unsure no way will he be offered anything like the money he is already on so may leave anyway.
Musgrove =no
Powell =unsure. Forber is out of contract at Wigan would be interested in him.
Ratchford =no
Tai= no
Vaughan = unsure
Wrench = unsure he as had bad luck with injury but even when fit I have been concerned with him defensively.

I want to give Wrench a chance. He hasn't had a long enough run in the first team to iron out his defensive positioning, IMO. Attacking-wise, he's box office stuff. Not just his speed and footwork but his ability to put a winger away too.

Fair opinion, the only reason I gone unsure is his defensive side but can’t argue with him in attack. Can we just have him and Tai combined

Crowther: Would have no issues with him staying, but as he is not first choice 17, I wouldn't want him blocking the way of a youth product should one emerge who looks the part. Green? Whitehead? Not sure on either of them yet mind.

King: I'd be ok with him staying, on a much reduced contract. Hoping that he will be shifted to the right and Lindop can be first choice on teh left. But if an opportunity arises to bring in better, we should be looking at it.

Musgrove: Can go for me - first couple of months of next year will be important for him. Dependable enough but not having a big enough impact for me - could you better with teh quota spot and salary cap I think.

Powell: Unless there is a younger option available he'd be great for another couple of years I think. His game isn't based around speed, so he'll be playing for a couple of years yet I think, even though he's 32.

Ratchford, 37 next year, be amazed to see him play to 38. Time for others to take his place in the Squad (Wrench)

Tai: Solid defensively but doesn't offer enough threat going forward. I'd be looking to move him on.

Vaughan: Big couple of months, think the club has made a wise choice not renewing yet. His stats were down last year, he needs to show he can get back up to previous standards if he's staying. (I know what your opinion is Duckie!)

Wrench: Keep, good cover and needs some game time, fallen behind Lindop in the pecking order though.

Just been told Burgess has said not expecting much next season as it’s a rebuild year. Now if that’s true I’m annoyed. Does that mean some of the signings made this season are just stop gap signings and with the 8 off contract end of next season plans are made for 2026 and it’s just a case of oh well let’s just see how we do in 25.

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ev ... ct-in-2025

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ev ... ct-in-2025

Seems to be a few teams in that position. Saints came out shouting about spending the cap and all the marquee allowances when we dropped to 6th. Instead we've let 4 go and signed 3, only have one centre, no scrumhalf and are at least a prop light. It's as if clubs don't think they can challenge Wigan's dominance next season, so are building for 2026 instead.

Surely he would not write off 33% of his time with us? This doesn't sound like Sam Burgess. Admittedly I am not expecting much then again this is my defence mechanism.

If it was my decision, and I am sure we are all glad it's not...

Jordan Crowther - 2 year extension
Sam Powell - 1 year extension
Connor Wrench - 2 years and he need to break through in that time. Last chance.
Paul Vaughan - 1 year extension, no titty lip or thanks and good luck.
Toby King - 2 year max, lower wages or thanks and good luck. For me he can do one as I prefer pacey centres that can create opportunities.

Rodrick Tai - thanks for the memories, we can improve on this position.
Zane Musgrove - thanks and good luck. Nowhere near worth an overseas quota spot.
Stefan Ratchford - thanks and good luck coaching.

Must admit, it had passed me by (or I had forgotten) that they had changed the rule so that players were free to negotiate with clubs from 1st December. It was May 1st previously.

This could well bring forward players moving on earlier - similar to Yates this year.

Before getting too worked up, how close a friend of SB is your source?

I'm with Wires71 - I really don't believe Burgess would even contemplate a rebuilding phase. There are a few tweaks to make but if I was Burgess I would be really focussing on Leyland and Hayes developing a quality kicking game as adding that to our effort ethic would mask a few other deficiencies.

Who are you listening to & taking notice of?
I know it is out of season but come on.

Who I listen to is of no concern and I don’t take notice of anyone unless it’s actually coming from the horses mouth. If you care to look through my posts I have never claimed to know anything and only post what I’m told but never say it’s true

Oh yes it is the off season you got that right

I don’t buy into this coming season being a transitional year.
We’ve only technically lost one player from the greater of the playing roster, Drinkwater.

Why do you post what you are told even if it's not true? Do you actually believe that Sam said that it would be a transition year?

Why do you reply. Again read my post I said if it’s true I would be annoyed. But I post comments to gauge what others make think. Imagine if we never listened to anyone we would never have opinions on anything but you would like that wouldn’t you. Because all you ever do is come on here having a go at anyone having thoughts or opinions. What I would say is you often disagree/ dislike what me and some of the other posters put on here so why do you bother?

Damn

Out of popcorn.

It sounds like a defence of spreading fake news.

You are now beyond pathetic, in what way is it defending fake news. LTS posts Leigh have offered £180,000 for Vaughan. Fitzpatrick comes out says heard nothing from Parra or his agent so someone is posting fake news or spreading lies. End of day all you are doing is trying to intimidate people because we make comments you don’t like, you do it all the time. A lot of people post what they hear on here and a few claim it to be real, I have never done that and things I know to be true I post in PM to people I get on with on here.

He/she cannot tolerate views they do not agree with and instead of reflecting internally about why that may be, he/she just wants to supress the view. Remember the nonsense of "the parents may be reading". He/she has their favourite targets too, I'm usually one, now it seems you are.

To be fair it is a legitimate query. If it comes from someone who knows SB well then I would be concerned, if it is a bloke (or woman) whose uncle’s dog groomers wife read it on Redvee I would be less concerned.
Not asking for names, just judging whether I should be concerned or if its just a “pearl clutching” exercise.

And it’s fair if it is a legitimate query, but he makes it personal. He never posts giving an opposing opinion he as a go at the poster has Wires71 said.

People are allowed to post what they want whether it be true or as you say pearl clutching. Said it once I don’t post saying it’s true unless I really do know but tbh I leave that to Abe since most trust him.

Well every day is a school day as I've learned that "pearl clutching" is actually a thing. I must admit that when I first read it my mind boggled to the point where I actually winced whilst going into defensive cover mode thinking of possible Lineham-esque attention

I had to check what it was too.

Are you & Wires71 the same person ? You do seem a bit similar & both a bit super sensitive about criticism of your views but splash it about regarding players' abilities & livelihood.