Can't believe the crap on the red vee forum. Just give them the trophy now apparently. Talk about over confidence, always really wanted us to win but after reading that I want a win Evan more now.

Well as much as I detest that lot their confidence is hardly misplaced is it?

Not really something we can argue against to be honest.

If Saints don't win the treble, then Holbrook has been massive failure.

Do Saints have that much resources available that the others don't?

What sort of advantage to they have over us in terms of squad budget? 10%? 20%?

A youth system that produces quality players on a regular basis?

And that constant conveyor belt of young talent is the reason they've been a permanent fixture at Wembley and Old Trafford this last decade...oh hang on.

I'll get on there later and give them.

Let's be honest , they've been the best team for the last 2 years but bar that ben flower sending off that gifted them 2014 they've been living in the shadow of Leeds and Wigan like everyone else for the last 10

My answer was specific to the issue raised by SC.

Don't forget what happened last time when you had to apologize for your racist remarks.

We're a permanent fixture for getting beat there, but even in what has been a comparatively barren time for the Saints they have won a Grand Final more recently than we have won any trophies.

They have been behind Leeds and Wigan in the pecking order in recent years, like us, but they seem to be making a better attempt at overtaking Leeds and Wigan in the pecking order than us.