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| (morrisseyisawire wrote:
Amongst the justified Roberts bashing, understandable goal-kicking debates and "what-ifs", one man stands unquestioned and aloof.
I give you Mr Akauola, who continues to turn sophisticated laziness into an art form. Take your pick from the two versions of the antipodean Rip van Winkle; the bench-dweller who turns up for inept 20 minute guess star appearances or the invisible man who starts games and dissapears from view faster than a Scotsman at an England world cup party.
I'm no Roberts fan, and I'm not yet convinced by BMM but Akauola looks ready to take his place in the hall of fame of quota grabbers who only break sweat when their missus hits the Trafford Centre.)
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I cannot give Morrisseyisawire an argument. Not one of Pricey's signings and I don't think he would have been too. Not in the Currier class for laziness but knocking on his door.
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| Bob Jackson, Les Boyd, Duane Mann, Gary Mercer, Danny Nutley ..... the list goes on of overseas players who displayed more of a work ethic putting their socks on than Mr A has so far. Not only lazy and a waste of money but lazy and a liability in defence and to his teammates.
I don't know what duration contract he is on, but I'd rather sandpaper my dangly bits then dunk them in salt than watch him beyond 2018.
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| Really disappointed with this guy, taken over from Asotasi.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"(morrisseyisawire wrote:
Amongst the justified Roberts bashing, understandable goal-kicking debates and "what-ifs", one man stands unquestioned and aloof.
I give you Mr Akauola, who continues to turn sophisticated laziness into an art form. Take your pick from the two versions of the antipodean Rip van Winkle; the bench-dweller who turns up for inept 20 minute guess star appearances or the invisible man who starts games and dissapears from view faster than a Scotsman at an England world cup party.
I'm no Roberts fan, and I'm not yet convinced by BMM but Akauola looks ready to take his place in the hall of fame of quota grabbers who only break sweat when their missus hits the Trafford Centre.)
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I cannot give Morrisseyisawire an argument. Not one of Pricey's signings and I don't think he would have been too. Not in the Currier class for laziness but knocking on his door.'"
Disappointing result personally as I backed your team on our prediction comp, but on the bright side your post, it's cheered us up no end
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| Not sure if he is lazy or just no stamina. He's like a firework - bit of anticipation, an explosion, bit of fizz then gone and forgotten.
Is he the last of the Smith signings? Let's show him romanticised videos of antipodean life in the hope he develops the pang too.
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| I think the highlight mini discs of our recent antipodean mega stars must be getting Hollywood style editing & special effect additions to dupe our club into parting with money.
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| Quote ="karetaker"Really disappointed with this guy, taken over from Asotasi.'"
thats a bit harsh...
Asotasi wasnt a raw just turned 26 year old relatively low paid front rower when he came to us.
nor did you ever find Asotasi backing up midfiled breaks to support half backs and score under the post.
nor did we see Asotasi put some decent shots on opposition forwards causing them to spill the ball.
nor did we ever see Asotasi do more than 20 minutes...
Asotasi was a former test player on a fortune who was expected to do something.
nothing was ever expected of Akuola he hasnt been a roaring success...thats true..... but lets be honest Dom Crosby and George king havent done anything worth dropping Akuola for.
I prefer Wires 71 idea that he possibly has no Stamina... if he was Lazy he wouldnt have completed the tackle on the winger that made the midfield break and was just ankle tackled by clarke....if he was lazy that would have been a try...
hes not one of our immediate problems
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"thats a bit harsh...
Asotasi wasnt a raw just turned 26 year old relatively low paid front rower when he came to us.
nor did you ever find Asotasi backing up midfiled breaks to support half backs and score under the post.
nor did we see Asotasi put some decent shots on opposition forwards causing them to spill the ball.
nor did we ever see Asotasi do more than 20 minutes...
Asotasi was a former test player on a fortune who was expected to do something.
nothing was ever expected of Akuola he hasnt been a roaring success...thats true..... but lets be honest Dom Crosby and George king havent done anything worth dropping Akuola for.
I prefer Wires 71 idea that he possibly has no Stamina... if he was Lazy he wouldnt have completed the tackle on the winger that made the midfield break and was just ankle tackled by clarke....if he was lazy that would have been a try...
hes not one of our immediate problems'"
A pack without depth is the highest priority.
We can win games with average or poor form backs when the pack dominates.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"A pack without depth is the highest priority.
We can win games with average or poor form backs when the pack dominates.'"
the pack didnt dominate that game last night...
yet if we had more invention than poor last tackle bombs..we win that game
if we have a decent goal kicker we win that game
if we had half back that can control a game we at least draw that game.
if we had a poor backs instead of Charnley we loose by a bigger margin.....its that simple.
I dont get your continued banging on about pack this pack that when we have the two worst half backs in a lifetime of watching Wire.
I swear to god I am close to tears every time the ref puts his hand up for fifth tackle...
Jesus the ball ended up in Toby kings hands and Akuolas hands last night on the last tackle....
like I say he's no world beater nor is he on world beater money but he's years off hitting his prime...
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"the pack didnt dominate that game last night...
yet if we had more invention than mickey poor last tackle bombs..we win that game
if we have a decent goal kicker we win that game
if we had half back that can control a game we at least draw that game.
if we had a poor backs instead of Charnley we loose by a bigger margin.....its that simple.
I dont get your continued banging on about pack this pack that when we have the two worst half backs in a lifetime of watching Wire.
I swear to god I am close to tears every time the ref puts his hand up for fifth tackle...
Jesus the ball ended up in Toby kings hands and Akuolas hands last night on the last tackle....
like I say he's no world beater nor is he on world beater money but he's years off hitting his prime...'"
So in summary You want us to stop complaining about forwards but it ok to complain about half backs
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"
I swear to god I am close to tears every time the ref puts his hand up for fifth tackle...
Jesus the ball ended up in Toby kings hands and Akuolas hands last night on the last tackle....
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Our last 3 plays in the attacking 20 are very poor.
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| Start off fast but does not last long???
Some lads may relate to that....
Sita is impact not front line for me but it does show
the lack of quality we have.i was more disappointed
In hill and Crosby last night against a very average
Wigan pack.
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| I’ve no issue whatsoever with the length of time Sita plays. We have Hill & Cooper who are both 55 - 60 min props and Crosby who can comfortably do 40 mins. I think we NEED a prop who can come on and play 20 - 30 mins a week in two spells (or one either side of half time) and just wreak havoc.
I think he can do more, he isn’t having a great enough impact at present, but Christ we do all seem to have fallen in to a pit of dispair atm don’t we?
Sita is ok, lets not forget he’s probably our 4th best prop, as long as his salary reflects that - fine. Is there better out there? Certainly, but we do seem to get fixated on particular players on here.
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| Quote ="karetaker"So in summary You want us to stop complaining about forwards but it ok to complain about half backs
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No quite wrong, my summary was:
Akauola is not our immediate concern..... our half backs are....that's all...
you are most welcome to discuss how dropping Akauola and getting behind dumb and dumber at 6&7 is going to win us a cup and Grand Final double..
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| We really should drop GF talk. May get to Wembley but I fear Saints would tear us a new one.
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| Wreak havoc? 30 minute spells? Sorry we are talking about the same fella arent we? The only havoc he wreaks is giving away needless penalties and turning his back on defenders because he's too lazy to get back in the defensive line.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"Wreak havoc? 30 minute spells? Sorry we are talking about the same fella arent we? The only havoc he wreaks is giving away needless penalties and turning his back on defenders because he's too lazy to get back in the defensive line.'"
Nice selective quoting there.
I said 20 - 30 minutes, I’d say he was averaging around 25 mins per game at present. I also said I wanted someone to be creating havoc - I agree Sita isn’t at present - which is why I said he wasn’t having a great enough impact.
However, I don’t thunk he is as bad as being made out in this thread either. Asotasi? Come on!!!
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"Nice selective quoting there.
I said 20 - 30 minutes, I’d say he was averaging around 25 mins per game at present. I also said I wanted someone to be creating havoc - I agree Sita isn’t at present - which is why I said he wasn’t having a great enough impact.
However, I don’t thunk he is as bad as being made out in this thread either. Asotasi? Come on!!!'"
At least we could blame Big Roy for playing on too long...no such excuse for Sita.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"At least we could blame Big Roy for playing on too long...no such excuse for Sita.'"
Get Roy out of retirement to show Sita how it's really done when it comes to pinching a living also he has a 100% kicking record so could solve our other dilema
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"No quite wrong, my summary was:
Akauola is not our immediate concern..... our half backs are....that's all...
you are most welcome to discuss how dropping Akauola and getting behind dumb and dumber at 6&7 is going to win us a cup and Grand Final double..
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Wow were was it I said drop him,I said I was disappointed.
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Get Roy out of retirement to show Sita how it's really done when it comes to pinching a living also he has a 100% kicking record so could solve our other dilema'"
Luckily,we didn't have Sita, Roy ,Dodds & Roberts all in the same season.
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| Quote ="karetaker"Wow were was it I said drop him,I said I was disappointed.'"
where was it I said you said drop him...i offered up a discussion point.
s sake....you said he was like Asotasi I gave a load of [umy [/uopinions why he wasnt like Asotasi. not once did I mention a half back in that post.
Rubber duckie then said the pack was the priority and we can win things with crap backs.
I gave again my own opinions as to how this dreadful pack were not an issue v wigan, and had we had better half backs than the ones on show we should have won or at least drawn the game.
I also thought his opinion of substandard backs being okwas also a bit off, as Charnley's try was an exceptional effort and it wouldnt have been scored by sub standard backs, and we would have lost by a bigger margin
you then said, incorrectly, that I wanted us to stop complaining about forwards but complain about backs... i never said such a thing...
Clearly I dont set rules on this forum and you are free to discuss and indeed complain about all sorts of .
I gave my opinions as is my right..
unlike Rubber Duckie I am not always right...
join in the discussion, so far your just criticising my posts
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| Quote ="karetaker"you are most welcome to discuss how dropping Akauola and getting behind dumb and dumber at 6&7 is going to win us a cup and Grand Final double..
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Im looking for the phrase" why would you Karetaker drop Akauola...etc etc" or something along the lines ....
see the difference is you said in one of yours:
"so you (that's me the flying biscuit) want us to stop complaining about forwards but not about halfbacks"
not once did i say the phrase "hey you guys stop complaining about forwards but feel free to complain about other positions especially halfbacks"
you aren't doing this discussion thing at all well are you...
i offered a discussion point,and you have wrongly assumed that I have labeled that point as your words exactly.
That would be like me replying to RD when he said we can win games with poor to average backs with the phrase .."are you saying charnley is "?
your struggling now.... i'd leave it...
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| So the word YOU meant everyone not just me,would the word ALL not of been better. When I said you I was aiming it at you as it was your comment.
I comment on what I believe is right or wrong, I criticise or praise when necessary something we are allowed to do, granted we don’t all agree with what each other says but that’s what forums are.
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