Kevin Brown is still at the same level - ie £
Pretty clueless in attack
No interchange hooker
Roberts did not look fit and hardly hit the ground running
We look slow
Shocking kicking performance..not putting Leeds under any pressure
Terrible decision making
Richie Mylers kicking game looked a million dollars compared to our.
Dec Patton....comes on for 6 minutes and offers very very little..with his first attacking move he makes a forwards pass. Waste of a bench spot.

disagree on Brown - thought he played ok and was unlucky not to score.

he's too slow and predictable IMO....and his kicking game is average at best

Too many people on here are default pessimists.

Brown is a good player but we definitely don't play to his strengths. Take him off last play options and have him looking for second phase plays rather than main plsys IMO. Patton offers more versatility on the bench which is why he was there but he needs to cut out basic errors (not the only 1).

We are crying out for a support runner, if only we had myler still or Darryl could add that to his game.

The mercurial Kevin Brown and his remarkable repetitive up and under last tackle play. GET LOST!

Our new 'powerhouse' BMM drifting out wide and staying there. Lazy outhouse, already stealing a wage along with Brown.

Continuing with Ratchford at full back two or three seasons after you should have signed a proper one.

BMM was obviously not fit and skirting some work.
Game one Price make a fundamental error....DON'T PLAY INJURED PLAYERS...they almost always get found out.

BMM and Roberts and 5 mins of Patton were pure evidence of a principal basic as long as the game is old.

Oh it's good to be back, isn't it ladies and gents?

Ler's see. Pessimism? Hughes - still a million miles away from being what we need. He puts the brakes on our attack more effectively than any opposition player.

Russell - still not, never was, never will be a RL winger. Enough, please.

But perhaps the real reaon for pessimism is that two new coaches, with freah ideas, no agenda and no baggage, STILL believe these lightweights are starting 13 material. THAT should be a concern for everyone.

Hmm thats my problem. They consider ratchford no 1, westwood over livett and Hughes over ANYBODY. It's concerning.

It's up to Jack Johnson to sort out Ratchford and although I thought Hughes at least tried tonight and looked better than last year, surely Akauola being fit and Luis Johnson kicking on will see Westwood and Hughes out/under pressure?

no reasons......... i expect 6th or 7th position and we'll get it

i guess the one reason for pessimism is there were 11 thousand there tonight, and playing that style of rugby is going to send those numbers tumbling as the season goes on.

its hilarious that people expect that pack to finish high up the league its our worst for decades.....

enjoy your season by not expecting much......

Are you just ripping Hughes for rip sake because he was actually okay tonight and put a top reverse pass that Atkins (I think) couldn't finish.

......we're joint bottom of the league on zero points.

Hughes wasn’t bad. We looked stupid tonight yet actually conceded only one try due to bad denfensive structure. The other two coming from uncontested kicks. If that ball to Westwood in the 80th had gone to someone else we may have seen a win. That’s despite us being clear second best to the champions.

We’ve got improvement in us. Looking at how Saints transformed themselves in the super 8s there’s no reason we can’t do the same. Let’s see what happens by the split.

Lose at Huddersfield and we're already looking down the barrel

How Brown made the England squad in front of Mark Sneyd is beyond me Mark was out standing tonight fantastic kicking game and again How does Ratchford play international football he can not tackle he makes so many errors which put his team mates under pressure if you make 8th spot you will do well too many aging plays and fancy dans sorry but totally underwhelmed by that performance and it was a good time to play Leeds there usually a bit undercooked at the start !

Are you still confident of 5 wins from first 6?

Lose 1 game by 4 points with a half new team against the reigning champions and it's all doom and gloom. Jesus wept.

Im sorry but those expecting BMM fitness to change are mistaken. If he’s utilised like we did he’ll look at world beater. Utilise him wrong he’ll look lazy and uninstrested.

Whats interesting here is Brown resumes the first game of the new campaign in exactly the same way as he left the the last game of his last.... being substituted!

So you'd prefer a player with a cracked open head and possible concussion to stay on the pitch?

There is clearly a hang over from last season. Nobody really did anything that they didn't do last season. There are too many players that look physically unfit, never mind blowing very early on.

On that performance I saw no structures what so ever, the last tackle plays were shocking at best with absolutely no planned kick moves. With an England International and top level NRL half back pairing how do we get that garbage we saw last night, Brown and Roberts were clueless, Roberts gave Atkins two passes on the last when he had no where to go!

Atkins pretending to be Tom Daly when he had Russell inside and clear to the posts was awful.

The pack was very ineffective, I guess Leeds kept us in the game with their loose play.

We are still carrying far too many, Hughes,Brown and Russell are weak links.
I'm shocked that Westwood was given a new contract.

To be fair to Westwood (and I criticised the decision to re-contract) was one of the better players as has been stated on another thread Leeds failed to score in his presence.

The lack of creativity, teamwork and kicking game in the halves is more of a concern than anything else