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| Do you need a Facebook account before you can vote?
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| What do you mean no Brent Grose on the shortlist?
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| As much as I liked Brett Hodgson he was only here for 3 yrs and less than 100 apps. To me I'd expect a bit more longevity from a 'legend' to even make the shortlist.
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| Steve Hesford was a legend.
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| Whitehead in that list would get my vote! I was always a fan of lyons tho maybe nostalgia goggles lol
I wonder what has happened to him after playing he was part of saints and wigan youth set up progressed to England academy and was involved in the England schoolboys first ever win over the Australian team at home, next moved to head coach of academy and got their first ever win on Australian soil against the Australian schoolboys. Next assistant to noble and was part of the set up that saw us beat Australia for first time in a long time, that's a pretty decent CV for an assistant could he help us to our first ever.....
Will also be interesting to see if scully or harris are in for a vote!! And if relatively short term players like Nigel vagana or Davidson will get a wild card nomination??
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| So many to choose from. Mike Greg, Boyd, Davies, Blake, Nicholas, Bevan, Parry Gordon, Ken Kelly, ...
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| Quote ="Wires71"So many to choose from. Mike Greg, Boyd, Davies, Blake, Nicholas, Bevan, Parry Gordon, Ken Kelly, ...'"
All the modern greats there - no wonder it's never been your year.
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| Quote ="Wires71"So many to choose from. Mike Greg, Boyd, Davies, Blake, Nicholas, Bevan, Parry Gordon, Ken Kelly, ...'"
This illustrates the sort of issues with these 'legends' polls - we perceive 'legends' based on a particular time fence from when we grew up watching the game, in the above list early 80s-90s.
We tend to exclude 'legends' we never saw play, or include them because of the opinion of others, then often deride those modern players because of more recent exposure or negativities that things were better/tougher in the past.
Hey, nobody is right or wrong, its just skewed opinion.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"As much as I liked Brett Hodgson he was only here for 3 yrs and less than 100 apps. To me I'd expect a bit more longevity from a 'legend' to even make the shortlist.'"
What should that matter? Jamie Lyon was only at Saints for a couple of years, but with what he achieved and the games he won on his own or had a big influence on, I'm sure most Saints fans would consider him a legend.
Jon Wilkin on the other hand a lot would have the opposite opinion of and he's been there years - time/appearances don't make you a legend.
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| Quote ="Wires71"So many to choose from. Mike Greg, Boyd, Davies, Blake, Nicholas, Bevan, Parry Gordon, Ken Kelly, ...'" Surely can't forget Dessie off that list!
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| Quote ="runningman29"Surely can't forget Dessie off that list!'"
Indeed, please forgive me
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"This illustrates the sort of issues with these 'legends' polls - we perceive 'legends' based on a particular time fence from when we grew up watching the game, in the above list early 80s-90s.
We tend to exclude 'legends' we never saw play, or include them because of the opinion of others, then often deride those modern players because of more recent exposure or negativities that things were better/tougher in the past.
Hey, nobody is right or wrong, its just skewed opinion.'"
Yes very true. Mike Nic and Brian Bevan the exception to the 80-90s.
However I would have to bit my lip if someone votes for Ashton Sims over Harry Bath (for example)
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| I liked Hesford, he was a great goal kicker, but legend? Obviously this is a matter of opinion, a bit like my sneaking regard for Glenn Knight...perhaps it's a hair thing?
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"This illustrates the sort of issues with these 'legends' polls - we perceive 'legends' based on a particular time fence from when we grew up watching the game, in the above list early 80s-90s.
We tend to exclude 'legends' we never saw play, or include them because of the opinion of others, then often deride those modern players because of more recent exposure or negativities that things were better/tougher in the past.
Hey, nobody is right or wrong, its just skewed opinion.'"
And also why saints ended up with a statue of kieron cunningham, rather than anyone else of the greats that have played for them.
They have more younger fans that have seen his entire career and grown up with him, that are social media active.
Arguably, in 30 years people will look back and remember him as being one of their greats(having forgotten his coaching spell) but i'll bet as a relatively young man, he thinks its weird that there's a bronze statue of him somewhere*
*that looks like andy farrell.
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| Although effectively based on 1 year I would suggest Jiffy must be close to legend status.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"Although effectively based on 1 year I would suggest Jiffy must be close to legend status.'"
Ah, that magical 1993-94 season, where we ever so nearly won the league, and JD was the Man of Steel.
Then again, Graham Appo was amazing in 2003 for a season, but I doubt many would call for him to be a Wires Legend.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Ah, that magical 1993-94 season, where we ever so nearly won the league, and JD was the Man of Steel.
Then again, Graham Appo was amazing in 2003 for a season, but I doubt many would call for him to be a Wires Legend.'"
Appo was every other game from about half way through the season.
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| Appo shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence as Davies unless the sentence was along the lines of “Appo nowhere near as good as Davies”.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"Appo was every other game from about half way through the season.'"
Yes, but that's my selective memory skewing the truth and how it affects the judgement of a 'legend'
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| people will see Davies as a legend.. mainly because for alot of people, he still remains the best player they have ever seen in a warrington shirt.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"people will see Davies as a legend.. mainly because for alot of people, he still remains the best player they have ever seen in a Widnes shirt.'"
Amended to cast doubt on legend eligibility.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Amended to cast doubt on legend eligibility.'"
Unlikely he knew any better at the time!
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| Quote ="Wires71"Indeed, please forgive me
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Ok just a left for you Iro wasn't as lucky
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"As much as I liked Brett Hodgson he was only here for 3 yrs and less than 100 apps. To me I'd expect a bit more longevity from a 'legend' to even make the shortlist.'"
He's up there in the top three overseas players I've ever seen at this club. In reality he was more influential than both Boyd and Blake, the two others in my top three. He was just absolute quality.
In my opinion we equaled Boyd when we signed Morley (maybe i'm being kind to Moz) and we surpassed Blake when we signed Davies. I didn't manage to see Derek Whitehead play but saw all full backs after him. and non were better than Hodgson.
I wouldn't be bothered if Johnno was named at full back he was the next best....and quite rightly He's earned his Legend status as both player and coach.
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