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| having watched the re-run of the entire game, its clear and has been for a while that there is little love for our club from the majority of the expert pundits. Even Bill Arthur chipped in with some of the "poor Liam sutcliffe - Bad Ben Westwood" nonsense....
I shouldn't get overly d about it really because lets be honest there's an IQ point between the lot of em and Phil Clarke's got it, so most people take their bilge with a pinch of salt.
but my one point of irritation is why did they not harp on about a player leaving the field concussed and not returning while the offender came back on ten minutes later, when it happened [iagainst[/i Warrington.... at Leigh...?
they just shrugged it off as 'tough game' when Kevin Brown was sparked out by Glenn Stuart, we didn't benefit from his 2 match ban ...Wakefield and Widnes did....!!
guess what its been like that forever...but Ben Westwood hits Leeds Royalty high & marginally Late and the rules have to change....
Last night Jon Wells was spitting on about having some kind of new law that you can bring the 18th man on as a replacement for the concussed player ....!!! or wanting the ever so reliable and always 100% correct, video ref chipping in mid match......... off
they are an absolute embarrassment and there would be no noticeable difference if we had ordinary everyday drunken fans in front of the microphone, giving their expert opinions.
and weve got Hemmings personal favourites Widnes next week
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| It is utter twaddle 95% of the time. I am boycotting Sky and going to live matches instead.
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| O'connor and Mcdermott are the best of a bad lot. Makes you long for the days of Eddie Waring....he's a poor lad.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"having watched the re-run of the entire game, its clear and has been for a while that there is little love for our club from the majority of the expert pundits. Even Bill Arthur chipped in with some of the "poor Liam sutcliffe - Bad Ben Westwood" nonsense....
I shouldn't get overly d about it really because lets be honest there's an IQ point between the lot of em and Phil Clarke's got it, so most people take their bilge with a pinch of salt.
but my one point of irritation is why did they not harp on about a player leaving the field concussed and not returning while the offender came back on ten minutes later, when it happened [iagainst[/i Warrington.... at Leigh...?
they just shrugged it off as 'tough game' when Kevin Brown was sparked out by Glenn Stuart, we didn't benefit from his 2 match ban ...Wakefield and Widnes did....!!
guess what its been like that forever...but Ben Westwood hits Leeds Royalty high & marginally Late and the rules have to change....
Last night Jon Wells was spitting on about having some kind of new law that you can bring the 18th man on as a replacement for the concussed player ....!!! or wanting the ever so reliable and always 100% correct, video ref chipping in mid match......... love off
they are an absolute embarrassment and there would be no noticeable difference if we had ordinary everyday drunken fans in front of the microphone, giving their expert opinions.
and weve got Hemmings personal favourites Widnes next week
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IMO Westwood's was much worse than Stewart's. And don't forget, we benefited from Brown going off, whilst Leeds lost Sutcliffe
Also, whilst I've not yet seen just what Wells said, I've a lot of time for him, and the 18th man for a concussion point is a live discussion in the NRL right now.
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| What a strange board...for the last 7 weeks we have been blaming everybody from Tony Smith, through Chris Hill down to the office cat for our lack of wins & when we finally get a result we have to take away the lustre by saying the Westwood foul won the match.
Very similar to the pundits when we win,it is because the other team had an off day.
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| Quote ="ninearches"What a strange board...for the last 7 weeks we have been blaming everybody from Tony Smith, through Chris Hill down to the office cat for our lack of wins & when we finally get a result we have to take away the lustre by saying the Westwood foul won the match.
Very similar to the pundits when we win,it is because the other team had an off day.'"
We won because we were the better team on the day. However, you've got to be honest and say Westwood should have walked. If that had happened, I don't think we would have won (and I consider myself an optimist!). I wouldn't say the Westwood foul won us the game, but it could have lost it us. We've got to be pleased to get the luck, and happy the players took their chance and performed much better. Well, we don't have to, we could continue to look for faults and moan a lot; but others are better equipped than me to do that
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| i watch sky games with the volume down.....the bias is that bad.
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| Everyone of them are =#FF0000GROW UP, NO NEED FOR USING THAT TERM, ITS NOT WELCOME ON HERE
Wells must be the most ridiculous person on TV, in any genre. He can't complete a sentence without an errrr, ummmm or an embarrassing 5 second silence. And the waffle he comes out with..... Unbelievable. One such gem from about a year ago, was "that try was scored, because of the way the tackled player got up, and planted his lead foot down"... what utter bo11ocks.
In commentary, there's too many of them.
Friday was Hemmings, Clarke, O'Connor and McDermott plus the thoughts of SCUMmings, should there be need for it. Then there's the input of either Powers or Arthur, who apparently have been told what the coach's tactics are. Add to that, you've got Brian "one for the ladies" Carney and Wellzzzzzzz. So that's EIGHT people per broadcast, and don't forget, we've "lost" Stephenson. Too many cooks, etc.
Thank God for the Amazon firestick, so I could cancel my subscription, and not contribute to these muppet's salaries. Life feels a tiny bit better, just for that.
As I've said before, but I've known Hemmings for about 10 or 12 years, and in all that time, he's NEVER had a good word to say about Warrington to me. His "dislike" for us couldn't be more obvious, on or off screen. Shame, as he's quite a nice bloke.
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| Quote ="Oxford Exile"i watch sky games with the volume down.....the bias is that bad.'"
FC fan (I come in peace), over the seasons when it's gone well for Warrington Eddie gets all excited, when it's Wigan, Clarke needs a tissue, SKY commentary is a joke, for all teams.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"FC fan (I come in peace), over the seasons when it's gone well for Warrington Eddie gets all excited, when it's Wigan, Clarke needs a tissue, SKY commentary is a joke, for all teams.'"
It's interesting to hear this perspective from an "outsider". I don't think the pundits let all that much bias slip out (nor do I care if they do) but I have gotten an anti-Warrington bias from Eddie a number of times. I do think that sometimes it could be attributed to him being neutral and me having my primrose and blue specs on; a good example is the 2013 SF against Hudds - when Grix went over to pretty much seal the game Eddie legitimately said "Oh no!". It could be that he wanted to see the underdog win, just like no neutral really wants Wigan to win.
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| Quote ="Wire"It's interesting to hear this perspective from an "outsider". I don't think the pundits let all that much bias slip out (nor do I care if they do) but I have gotten an anti-Warrington bias from Eddie a number of times. I do think that sometimes it could be attributed to him being neutral and me having my primrose and blue specs on; a good example is the 2013 SF against Hudds - when Grix went over to pretty much seal the game Eddie legitimately said "Oh no!". It could be that he wanted to see the underdog win, just like no neutral really wants Wigan to win.'"
The problem is all of the commentators (SKY, local radio etc.) are biased, because they are all fans of a club, and,as you rightly admit, we're all biased as well, and nobody likes cheating Wigan!
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"The problem is all of the commentators (SKY, local radio etc.) are biased, because they are all fans of a club, and,as you rightly admit, we're all biased as well, and nobody likes cheating Wigan!'"
Local radio pundits I have no problem with, that's the audience they are serving...Humberside radio is quite special for that....!!!
But Eddie Hemmings should be beyond that ...ALL the NRL commentators are impartial,
He's so petty with it though Like When Walmersley was done for the 8 point try .... he's like a velociraptor ...he remembers...!!!
the following Wire game Savelio tackles a scoring winger before he gets the ball down and its nothing remotely like the Walmersley incident but Hemmings pipes up
" Stuart whats the difference between that and what Alex Walmersley did".
he's obsessed with highlighting every fart our players do....
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| I have always thought Hemmings hated Warrington ... The "oh nooooo" when Grix scored against Hudds in the Play offs... The "poor Richie Mathers " when he saw red for almost removing Matt Kings head.. And the "really" when Catalan had a try chalked off by the VR..Are a few examples but,He's not even trying to hide it any more..
A few people have told me Hemmings and the other clowns were particularly bad the other night but I wouldn't know as I haven't seen the game back..
I have just moved house and I cancelled my subscription and to be honest I'm probably not going to renew it.
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| Just wondering how we square all this 'Eddie hates us' with his 'Briers for Britain' campaign?
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| Quote ="Sporting Billy"Just wondering how we square all this 'Eddie hates us' with his 'Briers for Britain' campaign?'"
That was before Tony Smith ripped into his mate Stevo for asking a ridiculous question whilst he was GB coach..
Hemmings and his cronies have disliked us ever since..
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| This thread smacks of paranoia. I can buy the fact that people think the commentary is poor (though surely you can't complain about the actual coverage-watch the choice of camera angles for a Catalans game and try and argue that point!); but to suggest anti-Wire bias is a little silly. The fans of most clubs in the league probably think Sky are anti-their club: most people cited Stevo as a closet Rhino, yet the South Stand had a spell of regularly chanting 'Stevo what's the score' when ahead in a televised game.
Generally I think the coverage is pretty fair. However the commentary can be poor (much prefer BBC for this), and I don't really get Barrie and Terry. Clarkey I don't mind, and Wells and Carney have freshened up the format. I'd prefer Woods with another (varied ex-player) summariser/opinion giver, and ditch Cummins (who is only needed as the current lot can be a bit vague on the rules, and obsess about refereeing decisions too much!)
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| With all this"everybody hates us "negativity thought I'd stumbled on the Wakefield forum
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| Quote ="Leythersteve"With all this"everybody hates us "negativity thought I'd stumbled on the Wakefield forum'"
You lot are OK ,the Sky lot seem to love Derek and his Leigh boys.. Good luck to you
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| It's quite funny knowing we get under his skin so much.
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| The bias isn't a problem for me, the problem I have is for a minority sport trying to attract new fans, we spend the majority of the analysis reviewing decisions than showing the skill. The commentary (not just Friday) is generally about errors, penalties and mistakes made by both players and officials, whereas the NRL commentators wax lyrical about the moments of skill. It's a completely different viewing experience.
I'm not calling for propaganda, just to spend less time scrutinising the mistakes and enjoy the game. I couldn't care if Ablett's hand was on the ball or not, it's a knock on, show the game! If we can't find something in 40 minutes for Wells to look at other than the Atkins knock on and the Westwood 'tackle' then we are in desperate times indeed.
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| After tonight I would like to see us decide not to speak to Sky. They are a ing bent shower.
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| Quote ="just_browny"After tonight I would like to see us decide not to speak to Sky. They are a loving bent shower.'"
I was at the game and in any event don't have Sky Sports, but, understand that we aren't their fav's what was tonight's particular annoyance Browny?
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| Phil Clarke said we wouldn't make the 4 playing like that (inability to score)
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| tonight's annoyance must be a easy one for us all too safely say annoyed every one of us.
that was Eddie's ocd on Kurt Gidley for a mistake.
actually like the fact when Gidley did make the 1 mistake he made at the Base of the scrum. it wasn't actually referenced.
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| Quote ="Wires71"Phil Clarke said we wouldn't make the 4 playing like that (inability to score)'"
Yet pre game he was bigging us up saying he's waiting for us to put 50 points on someone -and it could be tonight etc. Was a right tune-change by the end.
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