Were the playing personael of Wigan better than ours? Were they in other grand finals? , have we been outsmarted or just unlucky?

you were beaten in a close final, it happens. Truth is you were beaten upfront in the end. Smith didn't have the artillery that Wane had at his disposal and told in the end.

You still have a very promising squad are probably only a forward or two away from being the team to beat next year imo.

Sadly 62 minutes without scoring a single point showed we were out fought and out thought.

Probably.

.....simple thing is, we've blown our best chance to win a GF.
The worst Leeds side in 20 years.
Stains acting like my tumble drier....blowing hot and cold (it's really not been a good day).
Hull have been a busted flush since Wembley, and I've heard on the grapevine, that Wigan might have had some injuries, recently.

Yeah, outcoached.
Say what you like about Monkey Man. He can certainly motivate. Hate him or loathe him, his side won't spare anything for him
Let's bin Gareth Southgate, and get him doing the England football job. Big Sam without the bungs.

I blame that Stuart Pearce.Not won a final have we since he came on board with his motivating speeches?

Maybe time change coaching.

To add insult to injury, I'm a City fan. When this fraudster showed up on our doorstep, I shuddered. Even when City were 5h1te, we still played entertaining stuff. This charlatan made Peter Reid's City.seem like Brazil's 1970 side.

Maybe it's no coincidence that since Smith befriended him, we've started playing dull rugby.

But hey-ho, he's a plucky loser, just as the English like them to be. Screaming your head off because you scored a penalty against Spain, six years after missing one, doesn't make you "full of Bulldog spirit". It just means you can scream a lot.

Fluff off, Pearce

Out coached again. ......


Tell me I'm not going to have to watch us buy top quality players. (Again ).
Train in top quality environments like tenerife (again ) with people like Andrew johns (again ).
Then come home to the best training facilities indoor pitches and the like and watch us shuffle players around and drop players in form and just win nothing. .....

(Again )..........


Because it's not for me ......

Smith has taken us as far as he can......time for someone new. ...

3 grand finals, arguably 3 different sets of players,


One constant.

The pro-smith argument consists of one line 'well who else do you want?'. Admitttedly i have no answers, maybe others do....but it's a poor argument. His inability to react to a game plan tonight was there for all to see. Poor. I've had my fill.

I don't know about out coached, there didn't seem to be much evidence of coaching from either set of players to be honest, but we were certainly, very, [i:1do3lmszvery[/i is not the most important match of the season. It's how you play over the year that counts ......". Now, whatever anyone thinks about the current league setup, the Grand Final most definitely IS the ONLY game that counts, because the winner gets to call themselves champions.

No-one, including themselves, would claim Wigan have been the best team over the course of the season but they arrived at Old Trafford knowing one last herculean push would see them lauded as Champions, irrespective of what went before. As a result, Wigan looked like they were prepared to run through brick walls, whereas we looked like we'd grumble at having to run through paper bags.

It was an awful, inexcusably and painfully flat performance. Blame fatigue or whatever if you like, but it was an even playing field - both teams have played the same teams, over the same season.

The simple, sad fact is that Wigan were hugely fired-up, and possessed the mental toughness to dig deep and overcome their mistakes and limitations, which were many. We froze in the headlights, and once again, exhibited collective brittle, fragile temperaments, soft-underbellies and a terminal lack of potency and intelligence.

Daryl Powell pleaee

no chance. We want him - you can have Cunningham.

I really am beginning to believe that Smith is blotting his copybook.
All his reputation gained for his 4 years at Leeds, and his first four seasons here, are being unravelled, quickly.
I don't know who the replacement should be, but, truth of the matter is, Smith is getting staler than a fortnight old Warburton's Toastie.

I think he's taken us as far as he can. We need to move on, and so does Smith, but I fear that the new contract we offered him, after a whirlwind start to a season (always a poor thing to do), will merely bite us on our proverbial Aris'

The midas touch seems to have deserted him now.

This year has proven to be arguably Smiths most successful season here. Never have we made both major finals AND won the LLS in the same season. People can be frustrated but to say Smith is stale is clearly not true. We were in with a shot of winning both finals up until the final plays, not like we were battered. We have no divine right to win. Smith is good enough to get us there, which includes getting through tough sudden death games, we've just been unlucky tonight and were inches away at Wembley. We've won 5 finals if we include holding our cool to take the LLS and unfortunately now lost 4 finals. I'd rather have that than no wins at all.

We have won 3 finals. The last being 4 years ago. We have lost 4 finals on the bounce. Runners up is no consolation to me.

It's hard to blame Smith too much tonight. I don't think Wane did anything tactically brilliant or that Wigan were more motivated than you. That's what they do, that's all they've got as a club never mind a team.

The game was a strange one for me. I thoroughly enjoyed it in the end, because it was so tense and far more like an NRL Grand Final than we usually get. The arm wrestle for control of the game that usually blows out after half an hour in a Grand Final last pretty much all game. Wigan's defense was utterly superb, that was what won them the game ultimately. Ben Currie's absence took a huge amount away from Warrington and bringing Sandow back was unnecessary and a mistake.

Your pack is an interesting one. Hill, usually a colossus, didn't have his best game, Clark got a knock around the 50 minute mark and never really got into the game. Ashton Sims? I thought he was dreadful, he offers nothing at all with the ball. Ryan Bailey was another incredibly poor performance, lucky to not have given a couple more penalties late on. He was a pathetic signing for you, not up to the calibre of the rest of the squad, he's been woeful in every game of your's I've seen.

A few mentioned links between Smith and Wenger tonight. When is the right time to get rid of a coach who had brought so much stability and relative success yet remains painfully short of the only thing the fans want, a first title in 60+ years? Imagine you move Smith on and the new coach fails to reach the Grand Final? How stupid would the club look then?

Gidley is an interesting one as well. He clearly wanted it, motivation you say? He'd tackle a 747 and try to play on afterwards that man. But is he any good? I'm not convinced. If I were Tony Smith I'd be handing Dec Patton the 7 shirt for next season, just giving him notice now and going with that, giving him the time to grow. He was superb and shouldn't have been taken off. I'd play Sandow or Gidley with him and not together, the other not playing at all.

Thank you Mr Rush.

Can't disagree. As for Gids tackling a 747, I would have settled for him just tackling Farrell.

Yes Gidley needs to be moved on replaced by patton, free up salary cap for the likes of watkins to replace evans... we instantly becoming an attacking threat down the right.

Gidley is a Jonah but had he played for Wigan tonight we would have won comfortably.

What?

We've won two league leaders shields that we could have bottled but didn't. Obviously not seen as important as the other two trophies but they still required us to perform on the day to take away those honours. If you want to be pedantic then we've won 3 finals, and five pieces of silverware in 8 years. A Warrington team of yesteryear could only dream. It's deeply disheartening to lose tonight and I'm as frustrated as anyone but we were there, we competed, and i'd rather that than the much worse positions we could otherwise be in.

What about us wearing our lucky mainly white strip next season?

Whether you believe it or not, in games where the margin between the teams is narrow, victory somehow seems to go with those playing in mainly white or red.