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| Interesting that BOTH are named in Rochdale's team to play Barrow on Sunday. Assume it means Toby King to centre and Rhys Evans on the wing for tomorrow. If so, shows a lot of confidence in King and not so much in the defensive capabilities of Lineham and Penny.
Ben Julien turning out for them at centre too.
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| I'm surprised they are both out of the match day team to be honest. Starting to wonder whether Lineham has a future with us, he has the attributes to one day be the best English winger but there must be some character flaws for him to be out in the cold at this stage of the season.
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| Quote ="CW8"he has the attributes to one day be the best English winger.'"
im sorry but he doesnt even have ONE attribute to be the best english winger.
We have given him more than enough time now.... he is on the way out for me. Its going to be very hard for him to rescue his career at warrington.
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| It took Roy 50 games to come "good". Maybe Lineham's being groomed for Toronto too having to play in the rarefied air of Rochdale.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"im sorry but he doesnt even have ONE attribute to be the best english winger.
We have given him more than enough time now.... he is on the way out for me. Its going to be very hard for him to rescue his career at warrington.'"
His attitude and application seem to be the problem.
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| Quote ="CW8"His attitude and application seem to be the problem.'"
and his defending, pace, mobility and his ability to catch a ball when put clean through.. and his positioning.
oh yes and his attitude and application.
apart from all those, he looks like he has all the attributes required
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| i missed reading of the game as well.
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| Amazing that he has ever scored a try given your analysis. Agree to disagree.
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| Quote ="CW8"Amazing that he has ever scored a try given your analysis. Agree to disagree.'"
yea agree to disagree... despite not being injured he finds himself farmed out again to lower league rugby.
i just haven't seen anything from him this season to show me he is anything but a massive mistake.
i would love him to turn it around and be a brilliant signing.... im not holding my breath though.
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| penny on the other hand has been brilliant.... if you had to make me choose one of the 2, its an easy decision to make.
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| We can agree there, penny has been great. Maybe he is carrying a knock and being nursed for the business end?
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| Quote ="CW8"We can agree there, penny has been great. Maybe he is carrying a knock and being nursed for the business end?'"
I was going to ask: is penny injured, or has he been?
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| Quote ="CW8"We can agree there, penny has been great. Maybe he is carrying a knock and being nursed for the business end?'"
its a strange one.. i always get the feeling smith doesn't like him and will drop him at the first opportunity.
i dont think he is being nursed.
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| Quote ="Wire"I was going to ask: is penny injured, or has he been?'"
He had a hamstring injury not long ago didn't he? Or am I imagining things? Hamstrings can be niggly for a while after injury. Maybe he doesn't trust it again yet?
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| Quote ="CW8"I'm surprised they are both out of the match day team to be honest. Starting to wonder whether Lineham has a future with us, he has the attributes to one day be the best English winger but there must be some character flaws for him to be out in the cold at this stage of the season.'"
I hear he has an attitude as big as his I would be surprised if he was with us next season....
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| Quote ="CW8"He had a hamstring injury not long ago didn't he? Or am I imagining things? Hamstrings can be niggly for a while after injury. Maybe he doesn't trust it again yet?'"
Yes, he did. As much as I don't want him to have a continuing niggle, I hope that's it; I couldn't fathom him being dropped for any other reason.
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| King needs game time ahead of his starting centre spot next year, alongside Watkins.
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| Meanwhile, well done Geno !
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| prefer these 2 over russell
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| Russell is not a winger.
As for Ormsby's 3 tries, Madge from Benidorm could've scored them on her mobility scooter!!
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| Quote ="Alffi_7"King needs game time ahead of his starting centre spot next year, alongside Watkins.'"
I'd rather have Atkins than King personally.
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| Penny MUST play on Saturday.
For me, that was the blandest 3/4 line in 15 years, today.Akins took his try well, I don't recall young King doing aanything with the ball, likewise Evans. We need shaking up
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| Penny has to play. He's a match winner, and a strong kick catcher (compared to Russell at least).
Brough's left foot kick stopped Lineham playing today, he has the turning circle of a canal barge, and we have too often been beaten on kicks in behind. Yes Evans failed to deal with one which resulted in a try, but I'm not sure Smith has faith in Tommy.
For me, it's Ratchford, Russell (just), Evans, Atkins, Penny for next week.
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| I'd personally go with...
Left wing Atkins
Left centre Toby
Right centre Watkins
Right wing Evans.
That says soldity and balanced to me.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Penny MUST play on Saturday.
For me, that was the blandest 3/4 line in 15 years, today.Akins took his try well, I don't recall young King doing aanything with the ball, likewise Evans. We need shaking up'"
King is still developing, so not sure he should be in the starting 17. That said, his last-minute run across the line of defence essentially set up Clark's winning try. You also seem to have missed Evans's fantastic break/run from our own half which split the Giants' defence also set up position for Westwood's score.
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