And the refereeing standard is as low as i`ve ever seen! Its been there for everyone to see on TV, but all we seem to hear is "Pathetic" excuses from Cummings. If things dont change soon, these fools are going to destroy our game. Two games played and two times i`ve turned over before full time, certain teams are a dead cert for a top 4 finish this season if this standard of refereeing continues.... Or is that just me being "suspicious"!!!

The inclusion of Cummings (at first) was a good one. A ref's point of view, usually to put Stevo or Clarke in their place, after commentary hysterionics.

Now, he's just there as an Aunt Sally figure for all of the "commentary" team to take the slash out of him, when one of his acolytes drops a b0!!0ck. In the last two games, there's been PLENTY of opportunity.

I can honestly say, I've never seen a worse standard of refereeing in our game, than some of the dross that's been served up in the last year or so.
30 years ago, refs were just plain bent, and they got away with it, due to the lack of our games exposure from television. Now we get 2 or 3 televised games per week, so they can't get away with as much bias as they used to, but it's just the innumerable fluff ups that they miss, that drives me up the wall.
Aren't these people now classed at professional?

Am I alone in hating the new video ref arrangement? We've gone from "Haven't got a clue, so I'll delegate all responsibility upstairs" to "Still haven't got a clue, I'll have a guess and then delegate final decison upstairs".

Farcical. Super League is now the new American Football, will cost clubs a fortune in electricity for evening games they'll go on so long.

What was wrong with the Catalans "try" in the first half? Fairly contentested kick, Bentham says no try and refers it so any element of doubt immediately swings in favour of the defending team.

We're playing into RU's hands.

Completely asinine decision for me, too. The on field ref is almost always going to hand it upstairs with the advisement "I've got no try...". Of course you do, that's why you're handing it upstairs.

This decision does nothing to address the issue of decision accountability, it just results in things like a try being turned into a tackled in the air decision.

I'm going to give the officials, excuse the pun, the benefit of doubt, for this round of rugby.
The refs, linesmen and video refs may be rusty and or teething.

BUT I expect a big improvement by round 2.

I'm doing the same. FWIW the 7 penalties on the bounce were all correct. When Pelissier eventually scored there was still a Saints player nowhere near onside.

if Travis Burns is going to be offside all game he may want to rethink those bright yellow boots

I think Cummings is looking to feather his nest. After the grand final, he had a page in the paper analysing every single try and penalty.

I think people dramatically over exaggerate the standard of refereeing. The only difference is that 30 years ago we didn't have all the replays from 10 different angles, you just had to accept the call. If you ask me, our lot are far better than the NRL lot

Plus One.



The only time I do disagree with the Refs is when they award anything to that Rabble from Stains.

2 games into this eagerly awaited season and what do we talk about,yep the standard of reffing,,nothing about the quality of play(not that ive seen much of that)says it all really..bet the aussies coming here to play our club sides are cacking it...

Were you watching the game when referees were under the stewardship of Greg McCallum? If so, I am sure you would agree the standards have declined since he left.

I think I am right in saying that the NRL video ref panel has an ex player and a ref rather than 2 ref's. The much maligned Matt Rodwell is often part of the video ref teams. If we had that then all the fuss last year about obstructions would have been avoided and catalans first try last night would have stood.

Yes, but the NRL video referees are still prone to screw ups. Having ex players in there is not going to change that.

Contrary to popular belief, the NRL refs/video refs are not as good as people make out.

It really does beggar belief that so many wrong decisions can be given when there are so many referees in whatever capacity at each game. Every poor decision can influence a game & unless the rules of the game are upheld they may as well be scrapped. May be it is time to pay the officials on a performance related scale....this could easily be assessed by the match review panel & any slackers could be penalised.

'kinell

These clowns would end up OWING money, not earning

Loads of people queuing up to be referees, aren't there?

Well, I've heard that
Laurel and Hardy
Tim Nice But Dim
Norman Wisdom
The Chuckle Brothers
and Frank Spencer all went to Red Hall recently, and got their Grade II refereeing licenses.

Rumour has it, the hierarchy think that Wisdom is already a better refer than James Child, despite being dead for a number of years

i think you should have ago...

You're right SAM.
Most fans have never tried, and have the benefit of Sky video replays.

The top tier refs should be better than your average Joe because it's their profession and they're reasonably well paid, however they have an awful lot of things to contend with including directives from Red Hall - may of which we do not know about.
It's true that some refs have poor games but some on here think they deliberately set out to **** a game up. They don't.

It's not just in rugby league - the same in football and increasinly in cricket.

Union is different - only because it's so damn complicated - the ref could blow up every 5-6 seconds for any one of 5 or 6 incidents. (And that's entertainment ?? Not).

I just wish Edie and Stevo would shut up about it on Sky. I think Cummins provides very good insight and common sense - knowing ALL the rules unlike those two.

The Catalan no try decision was embarrassing, it seriously was.

Wigan's lying on is painful to watch and isn't penalised anywhere near enough. There were individual calls in that game that were very harsh on Widnes n'all but to be fair they can be tough calls to make sometimes, it's the consistent slow ruck that irks me with them. Someone like Wakefield would never get away with it.

Saints the night after was unbelievable. There was a spell of about ten minutes where a penalty could have been called at every tackle; men four metres offside, all 13 offside on their own line, holding down in the tackle. Again, not tough calls to make. But where they got a tackle in the air from for Taea's try was astonishing!

Whilst the referees are sometimes bad, I don't honestly think they're 'bent', just bad.

But at the same time I hear so many complaints at games from fans calling the referees for awarding the correct decisions. Many fans just simply don't understand the rules or don't see the incident properly and just decide to blame the ref. Prime example was on Thursday when the ref correctly awarded a Wigan scrum for a Widnes player knocking on whilst going in for a tackle vs Matty Smith. The Widnes fans started shouting 'you don't know what you're doing'.
I see the same thing week in week out at the DW, people shouting at the referees, when they clearly don't have a clue what they're on about.

For what it's worth, I'm not claiming to know the rules amazingly well, but just some people really don't know them

What made me smile (in a rueful way) during the Saints game was when after Bentham had battered them with penalties (all correct in my view) the boos went up from the crowd and the next time Saints got a penalty themselves, the ironic cheers started. It's the mentality that at FT the penalty count should be roughly even, and if it's not then the ref is bent - the idea that maybe your team is pushing their luck, the rules and the refs patience too much doesn't occur. And we're all guilty of that.

I defy any Saints fan to go home, watch the Catalans match closely, study their defensive line and argue that the penalties were wrong. If Bentham had had any bottle he would, and could, have carried on penalising both teams and sin-binning players. That is the only way coaches and players will start to toe the line.

Everyone does it, I've come away from Wires matches thinking "ref gave us nowt" then watched the match back and thought "aaah, yes ok fair call". As fans we can moan, but the players on the pitch, and coaches off it, are selling the product. If their idea of progressive RL is to niggle, spoil, cheat and con an advantage then the game is dead.

I've now had three RL fans come up to me and say they though the England RU game was more entertaining than either of the RL games so far. Whether that is because RU is improving, RL is declining, quality of refs, poor policing of the PTB and offside or a combination of the above I'm not sure. But, the Saints game WAS very dull for the neutral and the teams and coaches have to take a huge amount of responsibility for that in terms of their approach to winning games.

I think any direction needs to come pretty quickly from the RFL regarding refereeing & how the product is seen by the general public. All these 4 man tackles & lying on & persistent offside are playing right into the hands of Rugby Union which,at club level,has probably already overtaken RL in terms of speed of play. The RFL are the people who hold the future of our game in their hands & should be stipulating that breaking the rules of the game will be dealt with, if necessary overhauling the refereeing to suit the perceived end product of a fast ,free flowing game that was once the trade mark of Rugby League.

As for the England v Wales RU game, it started off pretty lively then degenerated into the usual kick fest & after a while there were so many piles of bodies on the pitch it resembled pages from the kama sutra.

Obviously the England Wales RU match is gonna be more entertaining it an international for one, two it England v Wales one of the few rugby union games which is bearable to watch cuz of rivalry like aus v nz, u watch the Wigan v wire play off game last year was better than any RU game I've ever seen and I've grown up watching union and trust me league is by far the more entertaining.