Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are about tonight's game? Without being either pessimistic or looking through P & B tinted glasses, is everyone expecting a win tonight? I'm just wondering what the overall effect of losing a few of our 'big' players will be both on the field and off. Obviously it will be grand to win, but personally I think I'll be happy, seeing it's the first game of the season, with the team showing signs of promise for the season ahead. Thoughts guys?

Win for me. All this hype about saints massive pack and the one we have put out tonight looks comparable bearing in mind we are also missing harrison, wood and grix. Does anyone know if rhys evans is injured or just not selected?

Also bearing in mind saints have 2 out of their 3 offseason signings who are forwards out injured as well?

Could go either way. More confident if the weather stays dry.

Do you think that both Masoe and Beaumont would be in the 17 if fit, and if so in place of whom?

I was just about to post that brian you beat me to it.

Don't know about the 17 ( I don't know whose playing) - but masoe definitely would be in the 19 instead of Richards (great prospect, but one for a few years time), and I'm sure if you asked any number of saints fans, having Beaumont (or Flanagan) in the 19 over wellens would give us more options.

"Let's get it on like Donkey Kong"

is it defiantly going to be on? has the weather calmed down any today?

I am optimistic. As ever. Then again I'm optimistic of a fightback even when we're 30 points down with half and hour left on the clock, so don't mind me. I am looking forward to seeing the new signings, the ones that are playing, and finding out how they are. Hopefully it stays dry, if it does I think it may be a 20 + margin on the cards.

The way it's going that could be a distinct possibility.

was that m monaghan's kick that got charged down?

Saw it on the replay, but couldn't make it out clearly. either way - he was badly positioned.

Outplayed in every department and our kicking game has been shocking.Going be a long season based on tonights performance.

And just as i say that we score from a kick albeit a lucky oneicon_smile.gif

He could have picked Myler at prop, Waterhouse at fullback, Ratchford at loose, Westwood on the wing. No one looks settled, and granted it's one game but Roy Asotasi is no Morley or Carvell.

No platform from the forwards, zero penetration from the forwards.

God it does look like we'll miss Lee and his organisation.

Oh yeah, playing Monaghan at 7 helped contribute to the sacking of two managers. He's a ing hooker.

I'm just glad Masoe wasn't playing otherwise St Helens would have had to declare.

Utter tripe. Shocking. Can't believe what I've seen. Going to be a long season and a lot of hard work needed. No build up of pressure. No real team desire in defence. Waste of a night.

no desire from there forwards, that attempted tackle at the end proved it. How does a bloke of waterhouse's size get trampled like that? also don't think you have that beef in the middle like you did last season. but wood and harrison will help with that.

Bring on the wire wiiiiiiiiiidnesssssssssssssss will be ready cant wait

Glad I didn't go.

Well Have to say didn't expect that. Don't think Wire will do much this season, but that was woeful. Shaun Wane will be laughin his socks off now after worrying about what warrington told the aussies and the aussies must be thinkin did we really listen to them ??????

Hey at least its your year!!

Absolutely shocking. No leader at all, no organisation. No grit going forward.

Asotasi for me is a waste as he's done naff all. Might be his 1st game but look at the impact Kyle Amor & Luke Walsh had. Hill, Westwood looked lost. Atkins for me can f**k off to Rugby Union. Riley out of position as always.

Tactics were all wrong as they always are when playing Saints at the HJ. I really do hope it was a one off tonight.

How did Soliola stay on the pitch? I was waiting for Bentham to send Waterhouse off when he got penalised for an high tackle.

Agreed, but perhaps the most damning verdict is Saints would still have won with 12.

London would have won with 12!

In the same boat as Widnes then.