news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/8460696.stm Quote Gavan, who the court heard was a member of the BNP, pleaded guilty to 22 charges at Woolwich Crown Court in November. '" For our more informed posters do you think if he was a member of the Labour Party it would have been mentioned in this BBC article?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/8460696.stm Quote Gavan, who the court heard was a member of the BNP, pleaded guilty to 22 charges at Woolwich Crown Court in November. '" For our more informed posters do you think if he was a member of the Labour Party it would have been mentioned in this BBC article?

That in context makes just as much sense.

It plays right in to the hands of those that say that the BBC have a leftist agenda and doesn't do much for the supposed impartiality of the Beeb.

I agree. I think the BNP may have a right to complain over that article.

The BBC have now changed the article to



Ha ha, some lefty at the BBC has got into bother I guess.

If it had been an attack motivated by the perpetrator's political beliefs then yes.

For example if a labour activist had bombed a Conservative Club then it would have been mentioned.

The information gives some context to the attack and is perfectly good journalism.

Firstly I agree this would be their (the BBC's) argument if an attack was perpetrated. However with no attack perpetrated there can be no motive for attack.

Secondly, where in the BNP manifesto would I find encouragement to attack anyone?

The court heard that he "showed a strong hostility towards immigrants" this does not neccessarily mean he was assembling explosive devices because of this.

Fair enough - I hadn't bothered to read the article. Can't stand the BBC: bunch of humous eating, ginger-bearded, four-eyed, lefties.

No but the leader of the Labour Party does not hang out with a Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard unlike the leader of the BNP.

How does that apply to this criminal case? In any case Griffin merely shared a stage with the aforementioned. As did Jack Straw with Griffin.

Your point is as relevant as me referring to the alleged fact that the ex leader of the labour party Tony Blair covered up a scandal which involved Lord Robertson's (ex UK Labour Defence Secretary 1997/98 and Secretary General of Nato) links with Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane murderer), procurer of young boys and a massive British establishment Masonic cover up.

Without going into the paedophile links Lord Roberton was a referree for Hamilton's shotgun license application.

Google "george robertson dunblane" and be amazed at how this scandal was suppressed under a National Security 100 year D-Notice.

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Quote Wire 71'" Please note Robertson successfully sued the Scottish Newspaper and the case became the test case for Internet Forum defamation cases. RLFANS mods should beware your comments are potentially libellous and could result in an action against this forum. www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/se ... g.newmedia

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Quote ="Cave Man"Please note Robertson successfully sued the Scottish Newspaper and the case became the test case for Internet Forum defamation cases. RLFANS mods should beware your comments are potentially libellous and could result in an action against this forum. www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/se ... g.newmedia'" That's why it was alleged. I am stating nothing other than is in the public domain. I guess the message board is legally immune from your statement of fact that Mr Griffin "hangs out" with KKK Grand Wizards?

Nazis have always been victimised in this way. Read any history book about Kristallnacht, when a load of unruly youths smashed up Jewish businesses and burned synagogues, they always bring up the fact that they were members of the Hitler Youth.

It's all a big agenda of the left to try and make people think that Nazis are bad people who are involved with hate crimes. If a bloke wants to create a nail bomb to kill immigrants then what has that got to do with his political beliefs? 99% of the BNP membership don't want a race war they just want the immigrants to go home without kicking up a fuss, its only if the immigrants want to cause trouble that they will be forced to fight.

I think we should start a movement, "rights for Nazis". Just because you aren't one don't think that it doesn't apply to you.....like the poem goes "first they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out because I was not a Nazi..." When they come for you, who will be left to speak for you?

The real problem is the current liberal government and their shoddy economic management which has brought our country to its knees, and our army poorly equipped and neglected, we need somebody to bring back strength and pride to Britain and restore our economy and start investing properly in rearming our miltary....IMO the days of the sham democracy are drawing to a close, it is time for a new struggle.

C- must try harder.

The BBC has no impartiality, they are just anti-Nazis. Remember when a certain country was bombing Gaza, and the Gaza appeal wanted to broadcast their address on the BBC, and a certain country objected because the aid would have been distributed through Hamas. The BBC bosses wouldn't run the appeal. Have you ever thought that this certain country, may have certain influences in the BBC, these influences are also heavily prominent in the City of London and the banking industry, which have been the cause of our catastrophic economic failure. But that section of society, seems to always make money and be well off when the true hard salt of the earth man and woman have their house repossessed? Have you thought of who caused the recession?

I know you are being purposefully provactive Sally but Israel / The Zionist movement has a lot to answer for. I list a few UN resolutions for you below for your delectation. Anyway you have gone O/T the argument was not about Nazi's and Jews it was about the relevance of the reporting. I've lodged a complaint with the BBC and they tell me they will get back to me within 10 days. (if I am black, disabled and a card carry Labour supporter)



[uHow Israel sucks but because they are so financially powerful in the US they get away with it and if anyone complains they can always bring up the gas chambers. [/u

Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641 (30 Aug 1989): " ... 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 672 (12 Oct 1990): " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673 (24 Oct 1990): " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
Resolution 681 (20 Dec 1990): " ... 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694 (24 May 1991): " ... 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
Resolution 726 (06 Jan 1992): " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 799 (18 Dec 1992): ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

You know how it is with the League of Nations, all talk and no action. They just send that African peace envoy bloke round to tell people to stop fighting like anybody cares what he says.

They sent inspectors round the Ayatollahs' house the other day when they were all doing a bong of shisha, fortunately they had a big persian carpet to shove the enriched U under and they never found the gear.

i think that if everyone in the world converted to rugby league as a religion we would live in peace and harmony,if they don't want to be converted we should nuke their countries of origin and shoot any non believers amongst us.
i think we are all in need of some rugby to watch.

judging by what happens when we have Wigan, Saints and Salford fans on this board, I doubt it

Maybe, maybe not. However, given the violent history of many of the leading lights of the BNP and its hidden agenda of spreading hatred against other races, then I'm quite happy for the BBC to point out that somebody convicted of this crime was a former member of that nasty party. Anything which undermines the attempts of Nazis to make out they are not really a bunch of racist thugs is fine by me.

I think you are letting your leftist leanings get in the way of balance.

I am not convinced the BNP are at all analogous to the National Socialist German Workers' Party in 1920. That is lazy commentary in my view. Watered down fascists/Mosleyism maybe. In the economic control axis of the political compass they are poles apart from the ideology of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

Like it, or like it not, the BNP are a legitimate political party in the UK with 58 councillors, 2 MEP's and 1 member of the London Assembly. Indeed more councillors than UKIP.

The British public deserve fair, unbiased, reporting. This was not that. I have complained to the BBC, if you are interested I will let you know the response.

In closing, out of interest, what "violent history of many of the leading lights of the BNP" are you aware of?

I,d rather be nice to people wherever they might come from.

Anyone who thinks loonies of whatever cast is the solution to problems needs to read their history books.

PS I am an aetheist and near death so obviously dumb.

BNP fascists Archbishops Mullahs and the rest should ditch the ridiculous dogma and give their loved ones a hug.Good night/morning depending on your point of view.

Dico did I miss an e off cast ? You'll know.

The BNP seems to be a party that caters to the disenfranchised white majority because like it or not they are saying things that appeal to quite a few people. The Tories and Labour just seem to hold the working man in contempt which really upsets me. Those less inclined to do a little 'digging' will be attracted to the BNP which would be a shame.
This article does seem to conflict with me, on one hand it plants the seed that the BNP are bad [good point but on the other it doesn't sit well with me that the Beeb (something which i pay towards) is trying to influence the electorate ad point.
People should do their own research and make their own minds up instead of being fed 'four legs good, two legs bad'

thats crap, not even one MP.....even George Galloway's Respect party has an MP

Hitler's Nazi's got over 6 million votes and 107 MPs in the Reichstag, which made them the 2nd biggest party

And could you believe the Republic passed an order banning the SA and SS...? What happened to free speech????

UKIP do not have any elected MPs neither do the Green Party.

I am not seeking to defend the Nazi Party whatsoever, I'm just pointing out that comparisons to the BNP and the Nazi party are rediculous in my view.

Anyway I'm with Yed on this one, the beeb got in wrong.