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| What you going to do when the referee lets 3 forward passes go in the act of scoring 3 tries. Disgusting. Having said that, Dudson is an absolute moron, and that last 15 minutes was painful to watch. We were falling off tackles like nobody's business. Every set they got closer to our line and we kicked away from it closer still. It was a matter of time before they got over.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"The one in the first half was forward, the others weren't. Ball steal was also correctly called, Ratchford pulled it out.
The balance of penalties and six agains didn't match the game either. Someone said 13-3 to you combined, which is odd given the game was so tight.
We were pretty poor tonight, attack is miles off and unable to get any sort of consistent go forward despite the forwards generally being on top. Right edge wide open with Batchelor and Makinson missing, but we just about did enough. Can't wait to see Vaughan's stats, didn't feel like he made any ground at all, be amazed if he did 120m+ like he usually does.'"
It’s not too late to delete this…
7-3 on penalties in Warrington’s favour. Vaughan ran for 139, more than any other forward. The hall steal, ok there may be some influence on the ball by Ratchford, but that wasn’t consistent with the decision made against Clark in the last minute. Don’t mind either way in them, but be consistent. The pass for the Bell try, it’s one of those that if they go for you, you take. But if that was the other way around you’d be equally as annoyed.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Lees for what? Hurrell's shouldn't be a ban, just an open hand collecting a falling player. It's a penalty but it's not worth a card or ban.'"
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| Was satisfied with the effort ....this has to be the new minimum and not a one off showing to placate the fans...attack showed some flair ... To be honest we didn't push it hard enough on the fringes where we had them for pace ... Defence thankfully was less passive... Get a couple back ...drop a couple and let's go to Wigan with this intent where they won't fancy getting into a game with a semi final beckoning the following week
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| A much better performance. 1, definitely. And 1 possible try that was from a forward pass. About 4 decisions should have been different. That hurrell ball drops 5 metres from our try line being the biggest.
But The question remains where that effort was for the last 6-8 weeks. If we put that effort in and lost the last 8. We wouldn't have been calling for Powell head.
Still. A much better performance and if this signals a turning point. We will win more than we will lose.
Side note from me. Man of the match.for me was Joe bullock. Some great hard yards gained in the second phase post collision. And matty Russell. What was it. Well over 100 metres ground out bringing the ball forward. Superb effort from all the youngsters last night.
Maybe we should have bought dean back from loan. Drop mata'utita for him and I'd of had wrench in for minikin
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| I endorse the Joe bullock view... He has been getting much better over the last 12 months and shouldn't be ignored by the fans or the coaching staff for the effort he makes routinely
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| Quote ="Nantwich One"I endorse the Joe bullock view... He has been getting much better over the last 12 months and shouldn't be ignored by the fans or the coaching staff for the effort he makes routinely'"
Has cut the errors out of his game as well. He's now our second best prop in my view.
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| Vaughan made 139 meters, 22 carriers and 32 tackles. The blokes a machine.
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| Quote ="morrisseyisawire"Has cut the errors out of his game as well. He's now our second best prop in my view.'"
He's our best prop
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| Quote ="Wiremansam"He's our best prop'"
Whilst I’m a big fan of Bullock, if you think he’s better than Vaughan then you’re very mistaken.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith"Whilst I’m a big fan of Bullock, if you think he’s better than Vaughan then you’re very mistaken.'"
He's not far short of that measure but lots of people don't notice...if he was Australian ... He would get bigger wraps
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| Fans have tinted glasses for their team when watching games. Saints early try, definitely forward. However, last week when the video ref looked at Ratchford for a knock on, it highlighted there were 2 forward passes in that move. As far as referee's go both sets of fans find fault with nearly every decision, so whose right? Last night was a big improvement on the last 4 weeks. For me the big question is, what was going on in the last 4 weeks. Selection has a lot of bearing on that. Many on here seem to be able to see things that Powell and the coaching team can't.
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Gil Dudson - wow. What a prat.
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| Quote ="runningman29"Did I just watch Powell say he believes this team can win the Grand Final?
The man’s living in cloud cuckoo land.'"
I said exactly the same ... nowhere near a GF appearance on recent form.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Lees for what? Hurrell's shouldn't be a ban, just an open hand collecting a falling player. It's a penalty but it's not worth a card or ban.'"
Pen count was 7-3 in your favour
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| What I found interesting with Powell's post match comments were that he also highlighted improved effort as a big difference from recent weeks.
I agree that effort should be a given, and not something we should praise but everyone with eyes in their heads could see players haven't been applying themselves of late.
Powell's comments to me sound like he knows he was losing a grip of the dressing room and hopes any clear the air bonding in the week has enabled a hard reset and we are turning the corner.
Here's hoping because if not, there's no way back for him, or us.
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| The increased effort was good to see. Though the fact its been lacking for the last 6 weeks or so does not bode well for our culture.
Anyway let's hope we have turned a corner with a plucky defeat.
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| Next week is absolutely massive. Win and get revenge for the cup and we could go on a decent run and finish in a good position. Lose and I don’t think we’ll make the top 6 which should see the end of Powell.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"I said exactly the same ... nowhere near a GF appearance on recent form.'"
Why not, it's an absolute lottery this season?
I mean, who'd say Wigan are a GF side after losing at Wakefield and some of their other ropey displays this year, yet they are as good a bet to make OT as anyone else.
Also who'd have picked Leeds as a Grand Finalist for most of last year, yet they made it?
Now, I'm not suggesting we will make it, but throw in our missing players from last night, combined with a bit more confidence and we have as good a chance as anyone else to be playing Saints at OT in October.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Next week is absolutely massive. Win and get revenge for the cup and we could go on a decent run and finish in a good position. Lose and I don’t think we’ll make the top 6 which should see the end of Powell.'"
Exactly.
Too many times in my 40odd years of watching, I've seen a "heroic defeat" (still a defeat), being followed up by absolute tripe. Next week is crucial to our season. Wigan are no great shakes, as are the rest of SL. Lose that, and last night's effort might as well've been a 20odd point thrashing.
The players have shown some gumption, which has been missing since April. We expect nothing less than 100% effort each week. Wether we get it, is another matter.
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| Quote ="Wanderer"Seems unable to get the nonsense out of his game. Poor signing.'"
I didn’t notice in the ground, but Ashton comes from his wing to give him a mouthful after that, never seen him do that before. Patience must be wearing thin with him.
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch" Lose and I don’t think we’ll make the top 6 which should see the end of Powell.'"
Not a chance. Its obvious the board are backing the coach, whatever happens from here on in. Powell will be in charge come next February.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Not a chance. Its obvious the board are backing the coach, whatever happens from here on in. Powell will be in charge come next February.'"
I’ve asked this previously, but I’ll ask again. Does he get a contract renewal? Remembering that Powell was appointed in April leading into his takeover season, to give him time to retain those in the squad that he wanted. Will we be taking about another “6 games to prove himself” in year three of a three year project? And if so, is that a sustainable strategy?
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I didn’t notice in the ground, but Ashton comes from his wing to give him a mouthful after that, never seen him do that before. Patience must be wearing thin with him.'"
Yes also saw that and rightly so.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"I’ve asked this previously, but I’ll ask again. Does he get a contract renewal? Remembering that Powell was appointed in April leading into his takeover season, to give him time to retain those in the squad that he wanted. Will we be taking about another “6 games to prove himself” in year three of a three year project? And if so, is that a sustainable strategy?'"
Personally, I'd hope the board would hold their nerve and hold back on any contract renewal for as late as possible.
If next season was anything like this, then there would be no reason to be handing out contract extensions and I think Powell himself would even accept that and, if he had any respect for the board, would appreciate it, considering the support the backing he has had over the last season and a half, when, at various points, he could easily have been disposed of.
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