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| Quote ="TheDoc"Meters made Twice as many as Hansen
Carries Twice as many as Hanson
Offloads Six times more than Hansen
Tackle Busts Ten times more than Hansen
Give me Harrison over Hansen'"
You can't compare the stats though. We've scored 37 tries to Wigan's 23, so we'll win at a cantor wont we?
We are only 5/6 games in, towards the end of the season after both players have 20+ games under their belt then perhaps, but you are still faced with the fact that individual stats will always be skewed in favour of the player in the better team.
Both good players, not great. ask me who has the potential to become great, only one answer.
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| Quote ="Supreme Optimist"Supremely optimistic, as always.
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I'll go for hopeful, when considering tomorrow night.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Ben Harrison twice as many missed tackles
Three times as many penalties conceded
Three times as many errors.
Give me Harrison Hansen any time (don't forget how this started by this)
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STUPID STATS
250% more meters made by BH, made by twice as many carries in only 1 more game? Shows who puts his hand up to do the hard stuff. For getting involved in the game a hell of a lot more, your going to inevitably make more errors and give away penalties! And people say HH is a workhorse? OK then try again...
Quote Stevo - Harrison's a freak!
So yeah Benny any day thanks pal
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| Quote ="TheDoc"Just like Ainscough was last season and look what happened to him'"
Or Penny
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| Quote ="Mr.Side"Or Penny'"
Correct.
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"exactly what i was thinking..hansen not fit to lace bens laces'"
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces. (joke)
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"exactly what i was thinking..hansen not fit to lace bens laces'"
Quote ="carmont is king"We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces.
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Why come on here and insult your own player?
The subject of the quote was Hanson. So if you use he as a pronoun, by the way a pronoun is a word that replaces a noun, you can only do so (without explicit reference to) for the sudject of the first clause not the subordinate one.
Allow me to explain, you wrote;
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces
Due to quote you used Hasen replaces he
So substituting the pronoun you used for the proper noun.
We have heard hansen has to use velcro because hansen can't tie his laces
I'm not sure this is what you meant. Try again.
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| OI play nice... Some have school in the morning!
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| The dick measuring was started by the Wigan fans because I dared to suggest that all their players aren't world beaters. They chose to miss the part where I praised the coaching set-up and alot of their players. A few then proceeded to claim players are better than our's at the sames positions. I also listed players at our own club who I would class as average and product of good systems. Yet again, that was ignored. Just shows the ignorance and stupidity that fans display when their team is questioned.
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| Quote ="Galloping Ghost"The dick measuring was started by the Wigan fans because I dared to suggest that all their players aren't world beaters. They chose to miss the part where I praised the coaching set-up and alot of their players. A few then proceeded to claim players are better than our's at the sames positions. I also listed players at our own club who I would class as average and product of good systems. Yet again, that was ignored. Just shows the ignorance and stupidity that fans display when their team is questioned.'"
Not true.
You proclaimed that Wigan had a lot of average players.
Quote ="Galloping Ghost"Great preview. If you look down their squad there are alot of average players, but Maguire has instilled a great discipline and belief in the squad. It seems to be running straight through the club as you see when the youngsters come in they have the same attributes.'"
When challenged you came up with
Quote ="Galloping Ghost"Alot was probably a bit of an exagertation. I'd say Goulding, Carmont, Leuluai, Hansen, Coley and McIlorum are all average. Wigan are succesful by having a great coach and a great set-up throughout the club. Three outstanding world class talents in Richards, O'Loughlin and Tomkins. Saints carried players like Arnold, Jonkers, Edmondsen, West etc for many years. The same is happening at Wigan. I think your core three are better than most others.'"
No mention of average Warrington players at this point, only Saints ones although the Dwayne West is quite tenuous one as he only started eight games for Saints and had 15 subs appearances in three seasons.
Tommy Leuluai is a World Cup winner, a four nations winner and a m.o.m, in last years Grand Final winning team.
At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player (I actually think that he is a good player) it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player, and is certainly NOT average.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Not true.
You proclaimed that Wigan had a lot of average players.
When challenged you came up with
No mention of average Warrington players at this point, only Saints ones although the Dwayne West is quite tenuous one as he only started eight games for Saints and had 15 subs appearances in three seasons.
Tommy Leuluai is a World Cup winner, a four nations winner and a m.o.m, in last years Grand Final winning team.
At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player (I actually think that he is a good player) it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player, and is certainly NOT average.
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and with that m'lud, I rest my case for the poorer Hansen in this "arguement"
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| Wigans team is greater than the sum of its parts and I feel are more of a star team than a team of stars. Individually the Warrington team is stronger, particularly when all are fit.
We shall see.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Wigans team is greater than the sum of its parts and I feel are more of a star team than a team of stars. Individually the Warrington team is stronger, particularly when all are fit.
We shall see.'"
I'd probably agree with that. I do think however that Warrington are a lot more overly reliant on 2 or 3 players (Briers/Morley/Monaghan) than Wigan, I feel we could cope with key players being out better (see Hudds last week for example, Tomkins/Finch/Fielden etc out.)
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| This thing about Finch gets to me. He hasn't even played for Wigan yet so how could they miss him anyway? The days of Warrington not coping without Briers were ended last season and Morley has missed games and been withdrawn from games this year. Much has been said about Wigan missing players, but Atkins, King, Anderson (all internationals) and Cooper are all out.
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| aye, cos we struggled without morley when we were beat by both leeds and saints.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Not true.
You proclaimed that Wigan had a lot of average players.
When challenged you came up with
No mention of average Warrington players at this point, only Saints ones although the Dwayne West is quite tenuous one as he only started eight games for Saints and had 15 subs appearances in three seasons.
Tommy Leuluai is a World Cup winner, a four nations winner and a m.o.m, in last years Grand Final winning team.
At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player (I actually think that he is a good player) it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player, and is certainly NOT average.
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I used Saints as an example, as they too have been a champion team. Apart from that, you've pretty much confirmed what I posted earlier. If you had any idea, you'd realise that Harrison is prop/second row hybrid. I mentioned average Warrington players as somebody asked me. The reason I didn't use us initially as we aren't a champion team as Saints and Wigan are. You then turned it into a dick measuring contest between Harrison and Hansen. Then many people chose to laugh at you.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player.'"
Not even sally could make a case for that one.
Think we will chalk this one down next to your 'Karl Pryce is a quality player'.
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| Quote ="1905"Why come on here and insult your own player?
The subject of the quote was Hanson. So if you use he as a pronoun, by the way a pronoun is a word that replaces a noun, you can only do so (without explicit reference to) for the sudject of the first clause not the subordinate one.
Allow me to explain, you wrote;
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces
Due to quote you used Hasen replaces he
So substituting the pronoun you used for the proper noun.
We have heard hansen has to use velcro because hansen can't tie his laces
I'm not sure this is what you meant. Try again.'"
This has got to be the saddest post I've seen so far.
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| Quote ="1905"Why come on here and insult your own player?
The subject of the quote was Hanson. So if you use he as a pronoun, by the way a pronoun is a word that replaces a noun, you can only do so (without explicit reference to) for the sudject of the first clause not the subordinate one.
Allow me to explain, you wrote;
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces
Due to quote you used Hasen replaces he
So substituting the pronoun you used for the proper noun.
We have heard hansen has to use velcro because hansen can't tie his laces
I'm not sure this is what you meant. Try again.'"
YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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| FFS both teams have average players a team would not work if every player was a world beater they would all be trying to out do each other
Tonight i hope there is blood,sweat and tears on that pitch and wigan to be infront on the score board (which i think will happen) i think our defence will edge it for us
The diffrence between the 2 teams is wire have paied out for players to come in and wigan have brought most through the ranks with a good coach showing them what to do smith wouldn't have been able to do that at wigan
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| Quote ="king warrior"The diffrence between the 2 teams is wire have paied out for players to come in and wigan have brought most through the ranks with a good coach showing them what to do smith wouldn't have been able to do that at wigan'"
Sounds like you really know what you're talking about.
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| Quote ="king warrior"FFS both teams have average players a team would not work if every player was a world beater they would all be trying to out do each other
Tonight i hope there is blood,sweat and tears on that pitch and wigan to be infront on the score board (which i think will happen) i think our defence will edge it for us
The diffrence between the 2 teams is wire have paied out for players to come in and wigan have brought most through the ranks with a good coach showing them what to do smith wouldn't have been able to do that at wigan'"
PLEASE TELL ME YOUR LAST 10 WORDS ARE TONGUE IN CHEEK.
IF NOT, YOU CLEARLY ARE A (fill in your own expletive, here)
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| Smith wouldn't have been able to turn us around like madge has fact
If he could he'd still be coaching england
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| Quote ="king warrior"Smith wouldn't have been able to turn us around like madge has fact '"
you're right... smith hasn't turned us around at all.
From finishing outside the playoffs to 3rd and back to back challenge cup wins... He obviously doesn't know what he is doing.
if anything....He has turned us around MORE than 'madge' has done for you.
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