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| Quote ="Seth"Those situations that went in favour of Warrington could have easily been converted to points just happens that Warrington didn't capitalise on top of cas not having an opportunity to score off the foot in touch.
Disallowed try was touch and go whether atkins touches it on to the cas player, he certainly played it. I fancy if it was the other way round you'd be less certain it was incompetent.'"
But we got no points from these errors. Cas did.
Re the video ref - what you have said is the point - touch and go so it must go with on pitch decision. I didn't even think it was touch and go - Atkins caught it with his left hand first and it went back.
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| Exactly. Try on the field is given absolutely no evidence to overturn it and yet no try just very very weird. I'm not quibbling about the loss as we were poo but that decision along with the Evans' perfectly good try and atkins' ball steal were killers. If someone can genuinely tell me what atkins was penalized for then fair play. Plus I'll have a pop at sandow for his huge missed conversion
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| You can't only call bad decisions out just when a team scores in that set (not same play) Warrington could have well scored off forward passes but couldn't convert, doesn't make one decision worse than the other.
Fair point re onfield call.
Warrington far from good enough though Is the bigger story which I'm sure you all agree.
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| Quote ="Seth"You can't only call bad decisions out just when a team scores in that set (not same play) Warrington could have well scored off forward passes but couldn't convert, doesn't make one decision worse than the other.
Fair point re onfield call.
Warrington far from good enough though Is the bigger story which I'm sure you all agree.'"
I don't see how a decision that directly dissalows or allows a try to be scored isn't as bad.
We were crap but we had all the ball but couldn't convert and couldn't defend. Having two tries chalked off didn't help though!
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| True. But done out of two tries that win the game. Had enough chances to win but poor officiating full stop. Thaler is in the PERFECT position to give mylers try yet goes upstairs. If I were his boss I'd rag him in on Monday and say 'if you can't decide on that Ben then you're not fit to referee'
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"True. But done out of two tries that win the game. Had enough chances to win but poor officiating full stop. Thaler is in the PERFECT position to give mylers try yet goes upstairs. If I were his boss I'd rag him in on Monday and say 'if you can't decide on that Ben then you're not fit to referee''"
I would be having words with the video ref first - he gets to spend 2 minutes watching replays and still he can't make the right call.
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| Quote ="jj86"
I would be having words with the video ref first - he gets to spend 2 minutes watching replays and still he can't make the right call.'"
I'd send all the referees a dictionary and ask them to look up the word 'conclusive'.
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| Quote ="Thelonius"I'd send all the referees a dictionary and ask them to look up the word 'conclusive'.'"
If they are doing that they may as well stop at competent before they get to conclusive.
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| Thought you were unlucky with the Penny no try, there may have been a knock on by Atkins but I didn't think there was conclusive proof to overturn the on-field decision. I was surprised when it was disallowed.
I though both sides could claim decisions went against them. Cas kicked a perfectly good 40-20 and the touch judge clearly missed Ratchford having his foot on the line when he knocked it back into the field. There were also two clear forward passes, one in the build up to a Warrington try. At times, both teams were their own worst enemies, particularly giving away stupid penalties at really bad times (Westwood ball steal, Ratchford dragging after the tackle).
Ultimately, Warrington had enough chances to win the game but weren't quite smooth enough near the line. I couldn't believe the number of passes thrown into the crowd.
Game could have gone either way in the fina 10 minutes. On this occassion it went Cas' way.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Thought you were unlucky with the Penny no try, there may have been a knock on by Atkins but I didn't think there was conclusive proof to overturn the on-field decision. I was surprised when it was disallowed.
I though both sides could claim decisions went against them. Cas kicked a perfectly good 40-20 and the touch judge clearly missed Ratchford having his foot on the line when he knocked it back into the field. There were also two clear forward passes, one in the build up to a Warrington try. At times, both teams were their own worst enemies, particularly giving away stupid penalties at really bad times (Westwood ball steal, Ratchford dragging after the tackle).
Ultimately, Warrington had enough chances to win the game but weren't quite smooth enough near the line. I couldn't believe the number of passes thrown into the crowd.
Game could have gone either way in the fina 10 minutes. On this occassion it went Cas' way.'"
The Westwood ball steal that never was and the ratchford drag that was a voluntary tackle (is that still a rule? Haven't seen a penalty given for one in years)
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| Quote ="jj86"The Westwood ball steal that never was and the ratchford drag that was a voluntary tackle (is that still a rule? Haven't seen a penalty given for one in years)'"
I think it was more the stupidity of conceding a further 10m for arguing rather than the actual penalty, which looked like a ball steal to me but I haven't seen it again on TV.
Ratchford clearly dragged after completing a tackle, even if the player surrenders he cannot drag after completing the tackle.
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| Both teams were poor. It was a generally poor game.
We did have a perfectly good try disallowed, I'd also like to see the Evans try because from the one replay I've seen it didn't look forward from Ratch, and how on Earth was that not a two-man strip on Clark that set up their winning DG?! That last one was a farce of a decision.
But good luck to Cas for the rest of the season, they're the only team above us I don't mind.
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| Quote ="BuckleyStreetWire"Both teams were poor. It was a generally poor game.
We did have a perfectly good try disallowed, I'd also like to see the Evans try because from the one replay I've seen it didn't look forward from Ratch, and how on Earth was that not a two-man strip on Clark that set up their winning DG?! That last one was a farce of a decision.'"
Nah, it was a "loose carry"!
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I think it was more the stupidity of conceding a further 10m for arguing rather than the actual penalty, which looked like a ball steal to me but I haven't seen it again on TV.
Ratchford clearly dragged after completing a tackle, even if the player surrenders he cannot drag after completing the tackle.'"
Stupid yes but when you should be packing down for a scrum on the opponents 10m line but are instead running back to halfway you can understand the frustration.
It wasn't surrendering it was a voluntary tackle.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I think it was more the stupidity of conceding a further 10m for arguing rather than the actual penalty, which looked like a ball steal to me but I haven't seen it again on TV.
Ratchford clearly dragged after completing a tackle, even if the player surrenders he cannot drag after completing the tackle.'"
You also can't put pressure on the neck of aplayer, but that happened in the first half, and that player will probably cop a ban for it next week
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| It was good to see Sims not retaliating to the rough treatment from Carney. If that had been Benny, he would be throwing punches, sin bin, penalty Cas.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Nah, it was a "loose carry"!'"
LOL!
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"You also can't put pressure on the neck of aplayer, but that happened in the first half, and that player will probably cop a ban for it next week'"
Was hard to see live, was it the tackle on Monaghan? Certainly deserves a ban if it was a crusher tackle.
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| Cas fans will be very very happy with the officiating tonight and they know it. We shouldve had enough to win the game regardless as I'm sure we've had the rub of the green in the past but still that really was shocking refereeing all round.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Was hard to see live, was it the tackle on Monaghan? Certainly deserves a ban if it was a crusher tackle.'"
Start of 2nd half. I wouldn't worry - video ref looked at it and didn't even give a penalty although I suspect there wasn't 'conclusive' proof (ha)
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| Quote ="ratticusfinch"Cas fans will be very very happy with the officiating tonight and they know it. We shouldve had enough to win the game regardless as I'm sure we've had the rub of the green in the past but still that really was shocking refereeing all round.'"
Balances out some of the shocking referreing performances against Catalans and Huddersfield that turned probable wins into defeats for us.
Swings and roundabouts, and all that........
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| I watched it on tv and Ben Westwards hands were nowhere near the ball when the cas player dropped the ball. It should not have been a penalty in the first place.
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| Words fail me about tonight.
The players only looked really interested for the last twenty minutes.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Was hard to see live, was it the tackle on Monaghan? Certainly deserves a ban if it was a crusher tackle.'"
Ive no problem with that one, it was incidental rather than a purposeful crusher tackle. This crusher tackle bolloxks is doing my head in this season, it's the new flavour of the month bad tackle now third man in at the legs scandal (im being sarcastic, there never was one, that was just the flavour of last month) has calmed down.
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| Quote ="jj86"Start of 2nd half. I wouldn't worry - video ref looked at it and didn't even give a penalty although I suspect there wasn't 'conclusive' proof (ha)'"
Sounds like the same tackle. I though Monaghan had tweaked his neck as he was regaining his feet, but as said its hard to see stuff like that as it happens.
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