That team was nowhere near the worst we had in back end of 2001/first two thirds of 2002.

Aye i must've glossed over his name, a good player

Still having nightmares over Michael Sullivan !

The Leeds play off game - Briers drops the 1 point, we regain possession from the short kick off only for Sullivan to knock on with 30 seconds left !

I often wondered whether he was a hooker or a half back - he was neither

I also wondered if he kicked with his left or right foot - he couldn't kick with either

Can we please desist from this over-generous use of the word legend?. Brian Bevan was a legend, Gerry Helme was a legend, Jonathan Davies was a legend, Sid Domic was a very good player, end-of.

always laugh at Sullivan's reaction to the travelling wire fans at Hudderfield singing "there only one Michael Sullivan..........he used to be $hite, now he's alright......"

I often cringe hearing the word legend being banded around. Domic is not a Warrington legend by a long chalk, neither are any the likes of Nat Wood or Toa Kohe Love. Good players, maybe. Legend... Not a chance

Is Jonathan Davies really a legend? One of the best players ever to play for Warrington yes, but legend?

Fine then, ya miserable git... Cult hero?

Yes. Would be in most peoples best ever team and very nearly lifted our team into being champions.

i can see where ancw is coming from on this, for one season, he did, the next season and a half, not so much. PArtly due to injury granted.

How does that balance out in the overall picture?

One player comes in, and transforms a team, gets them performing to a level above where they normally would be? Can you classify graham appo like this then?

Appo had a superb half season, then got a new contract, re-discovered pizzas and takeaways and reverted to type, turned out to be more of a leg end than a legend.
Legends are those who give fantastic service and stay with the Club through thick and thin.

thick and thin.....Pizza base size?

oh i'm not suggesting by any means that appo be considered anything, i'm playing devils advocate and will sink the battleship of anyone normally that suggests he was anything other than on a moderately hot streak.

i'm just apportioning criteria for legend status, or trying to see what the criteria would be, personally i wouldn't classify either of them as a legend.



Ps, appo was more like a good quarter of a season,e very other week at best.

There has to be something that seperates "longevity" from "legendary", otherwise players such as; Paul Cullen; Lee Penny; Mark Forster; and Mike Wainwright; all with 200+ appearances and over 10 years at the club, and definately through "thin & thinner times", fall within a "legendary" status.

But, realistically, it all comes down to personal preference.

I think Cullen and Forster have better claims to legendary status than Davies, but I probably wouldn't include any of them. I'm not even sure I'd include Briers but I probably would in the end. Brian Bevan is the only one I'd 100% include.

Wire Legends since I've been watching (1979)

John Bevan
Mike Greg
(can't really comment on Parry Gordon, as he was at the "fag-end" of his career)
Possibly Briers

Mentioned in dispatches
Possibly Briers
Morley (when you look at it, he missed many games)
Jackson
Boyd (4 years, broken arms didn't help)
Davies (only did 26 months)

Excellent players
Mark Roberts
Andrew Johns (only 3 games though)
Phil Blake
Martin Gleeson (just his commitment when Smith arrived, let him down)
Ken Kelly
Tamati
Bateman
Woods
Drummond

Longevity/clubmen
Cullen, Forster, Hesford, Sanderson

obviously I've missed a few

Please, please, please
Can nobody include Domic, Kohe-Love, Burns, and Nat "half-back with an allergy to passing the ball" Wood in any of the above. All v. good players, but not in the categories mentioned above (imo, of course)

This topic seems to have turn on its head, from boot-ends to leg-ends!

Surely Briers is....longevity and quality. Not his fault he played through a long period in weak teams.

Can't have a worst 13 without the laziest bloke ever to wear the P&B imo. Tony Tatupu. Could play the game but just couldn't be ars@d. Fortunately he was only on a one season 'deal'.

Anyone remember Brian Butler? Awful welsh prop who signed from Bradford, another strong candidate.

He was ona two year deal, thing was, auckland wanted vagana back(understandable, but it was never really clarified why we just let him go) and they took tatupu back as well, as 'payment'.

He was a real bust that fella, it was said at the time Murphy was busting a gut to get Kearney, but signed the wrong player, we made lots of noise over this bloke and even had him hiding out at one point as the warriors were quite keen on keeping hold of him.

He came back a few years later you may recall, and was playing centre for Wakey.

Didn't remember him playing for Wakefield FMC, just recall him being the worst member of the Kiwi 'invasion' that year. Vagana was a class act but was clearly frustrated and it was no surprise when he left. I went to Aus for the WCC and it was glaringly apparent how divided that side was. The Kiwis were grouped together in the bar at Penrith with the English boys (and Salesi Finau!) on the opposite side of the room. They couldn't have made it more obvious if they'd tried.

He would if he wasn't such a lazy get when he first arrived, used to see him in the village hotel after games having sneaky fags. It used to annoy the hell out of me when we all knew his talent but he and the rest of the team really were not bothered back then.

Used to love watching him and Mateaki Mafi, crap without ball in hand, but my god were they quick!

They were both bobbins. Mafi was personification of the rule that being quick doesn't make you a good winger, whilst Finau's most notable attribute was a silly haircut.