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| Cheer up lads, there’s a great band on in the concourse on Thursday. #Kisskamout
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| Quote ="DallasMead2"Cheer up lads, there’s a great band on in the concourse on Thursday. #Kisskamout'"
Is it these guys? Last played on the maiden voyage of the Titanic?...
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| easyWireLast played on the maiden voyage of the Titanic”
Was a great party I believe Easy, the wine glasses are continually topped up.
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| Quote ="just_browny"Do you mean the Matautia at Saints? Our one is strong but he really isn't very big.'"
When I look at the other Wire boys he looks big and tough to me. I like the Saints version too.
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| Quote ="Smiffy27"When I look at the other Wire boys he looks big and tough to me. I like the Saints version too.'"
Compared to our props at the moment, he's more difficult to put down.
Considering our best win of the season was with Mata'utia and Dean at half-back, it couldn't get any worse trying them again against Saints. At least we'd have more of an excuse than if we play our two marquee players there.
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| Quote ="just_browny"Completely agree. Don't underestimate what counts as a holiday if you're from Cas though.'"
I went on a coach holiday to Warrington once, but the culturally superior erudite Warrington folks smashed our bus windows.
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| We've only been competitive for the first half against both Wigan & Catalans, and even though these are two of the best three sides in the league, it doesn't bode well for the future. Feels like there's so many more things that need fixing since DP took over. Just hope we hit the lower limit that TS had at Harleguins, some time soon and start improving. Otherwise, we might be looking at another change of coach as we get to the beginning of August.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"We've only been competitive for the first half against both Wigan & Catalans, and even though these are two of the best three sides in the league, it doesn't bode well for the future. Feels like there's so many more things that need fixing since DP took over. Just hope we hit the lower limit that TS had at Harleguins, some time soon and start improving. Otherwise, we might be looking at another change of coach as we get to the beginning of August.'"
But is the coach the problem? What do we do next, bring in another coach in the hope of scraping some more mediocrity from the dead wood? If there's trouble in the camp with what the coach wants to change, remove the trouble and give the coach the chance to reboot things. He does at least have a record of improving clubs to back himself up. The senior players seem to have a record of being highly paid bridesmaids.
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| I'm afraid quite a few of our players are not as good as last year. They are on that slippery slope that happens to us all. Our younger boys, though lively, lack the size to take on Cats/Saints unless they are in lots of space. Oh stop being so miserable Smiffy!
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| Quote ="Logger"I went on a coach holiday to Warrington once, but the culturally superior erudite Warrington folks smashed our bus windows.'"
Remember Matt King's car windows being smashed at Castleford.
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"We've only been competitive for the first half against both Wigan & Catalans, and even though these are two of the best three sides in the league, it doesn't bode well for the future. Feels like there's so many more things that need fixing since DP took over. Just hope we hit the lower limit that TS had at Harleguins, some time soon and start improving. Otherwise, we might be looking at another change of coach as we get to the beginning of August.'"
We were competitive in the first half v Wigan?? Anyway, its taken Watson a full season to weed out the bad apples at Huddersfield. They were shocking in his first season and look at them now.
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| Quote ="easyWire"But is the coach the problem? What do we do next, bring in another coach in the hope of scraping some more mediocrity from the dead wood? If there's trouble in the camp with what the coach wants to change, remove the trouble and give the coach the chance to reboot things. He does at least have a record of improving clubs to back himself up. The senior players seem to have a record of being highly paid bridesmaids.'"
I don't disagree with you, but a coach is solely judged on results. Should we be in the relegation fight at the beginning of August, then it may be a case of the board making the easiest change, which is the coach.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"=#4000FFWe were competitive in the first half v Wigan?? Anyway, its taken Watson a full season to weed out the bad apples at Huddersfield. They were shocking in his first season and look at them now.'"
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| It’s simple for me the coach stays and is given the chance to do his job backed fully by the board.
No excuses we've been in the doldrums far too long so revolutionary change is the only option for me.
This season isn't a papering over the cracks exercise
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| Powell must stay for the season even though I am beginning to have some doubts. When a prop tries a grubber it makes you wonder what's been happening in training in the last two weeks. Wells kept pointing out out our problems in the 20. At times we looked like headless chickens so either Powell is not getting his message across or players aren't listening.
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| The only time we’ve looked remotely dangerous in the opposition twenty this season is when Dean played for 120 mins
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| Powell must be feeling some pressure. To try and blame the officials after a 40-8 hammering is quite frankly embarrassing.
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| Quote ="PEAKEYBLINDER"Powell must stay for the season even though I am beginning to have some doubts. When a prop tries a grubber it makes you wonder what's been happening in training in the last two weeks. Wells kept pointing out out our problems in the 20. At times we looked like headless chickens so either Powell is not getting his message across or players aren't listening.'"
He must regret bringing Holmes with him and awarding such a long contract.
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| Quote ="Deus Dat Incrementum" It is that leadership element that really disappoints me. Hill was similar when he was captain, questioning the ref and walking off shaking his head .... Sinfield, Peacock, O'Laughlin, Roby. I can give you a list as long as your arm of players who would never give reactions like Ratchford did.'"
I don't dispute we lack leadership, but I don't know which Saints, Wigan, Leeds teams you've been watching for the last 20 years. They have all had a non-stop procession of players wingeing, screaming and waving their arms around in the refs direction. Wellens, Hanley, Edwards, LMS, Walmsley .... but because they played for teams that were the darlings of the media and the RFL they not only got away with it but actually had an influence.
Yeah Ratchford moaned at the ref. Least he looked bothered. I didn't notice anyone else raising a voice in protest.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Powell must be feeling some pressure. To try and blame the officials after a 40-8 hammering is quite frankly embarrassing.'" Well to be fair to him 16-8 down with 15 mins go then Moore gives them a very dubious penalty then floodgates open but apparently he upset Bernard Guasch last season so probably wanted get back in his good books.Shouldn’t ref a SL match ever again.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Powell must be feeling some pressure. To try and blame the officials after a 40-8 hammering is quite frankly embarrassing.'"
Yep. He blames 20 year old players, then officials. He should turn his gaze closer to home.
Why he cannot get us to a least look like we train together has nothing to do with a ref.
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| Just watch the match on WireTV.
Not read all the posts on here but a few of my observations.
King and Charnley dropped (DP said 'not selected' in the post match interview). So will those on here who criticize the coach give him credit for not being afraid to drop 'names'?
Im not holding my breath.
Wrench, Thewlis, Matautia and especially Robbie Mulhern had good matches (ok missed a tackle on Kasiano that led to a try but overall great workrate).
Currie had a totally unnoticable game but arguably should have done better with defending their first try. JClark did little. Philbin playing below the standards we expect and I thought Cooper had a quiet match. (Penalty against him for incorrect ptb was ridiculous imo).
Still wonder if Daryl is carrying a niggle. I'm of the opinion that Ratch is.
Ok we lost by a shed full in the end but it's a far better display for the first 65 minutes than Ive seen for some time.
I couldn't understand some of the penalty decisions or the Dudson try which was as clear a double movment as I've seen in a long time. It's fair that DP criticizes those but rightly points out that there's things we need to do better. Unlike I've read elsewhere, he certainly wasn't blaming the defeat on the ref.
However we were our own worst enemies for the offsides (in particular).
Do all captains moan at the ref?
Ratch clearly let dubious decisions get to him. Perhaps the captaincy is a poisooned chalice.
Overall we didn't deserve the win, still look a bit clueless in attack, but the score didn't reflect the game for me and overall I thought it was half a step forward.
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| I didn't see the game but this season reminds me of Leeds in about 2016 when they completely lost the plot and slipped down to the bottom of the table. I remember watching Leeds on sky and thinking that they still have plenty of good players and there was lots of effort up until 50-60 minutes in most games but then they would fall away. Something was seriously wrong. I know they had Peacock & Sinfield depart the year before but they still had the likes of Burrow, McGuire, JJB, Watkings, Hall et al playing. I remember watching these seasoned guys completely frustrated that things weren't happening. George Williams is like that now along with several other players. Leeds were dire that year but won the grand final the year after against Cas.
I'm sure things will fall into place at some point..
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| Quote ="fez1"Just watch the match on WireTV.
Not read all the posts on here but a few of my observations.
King and Charnley dropped (DP said 'not selected' in the post match interview). So will those on here who criticize the coach give him credit for not being afraid to drop 'names'?
Im not holding my breath.
Wrench, Thewlis, Matautia and especially Robbie Mulhern had good matches (ok missed a tackle on Kasiano that led to a try but overall great workrate).
Currie had a totally unnoticable game but arguably should have done better with defending their first try. JClark did little. Philbin playing below the standards we expect and I thought Cooper had a quiet match. (Penalty against him for incorrect ptb was ridiculous imo).
Still wonder if Daryl is carrying a niggle. I'm of the opinion that Ratch is.
Ok we lost by a shed full in the end but it's a far better display for the first 65 minutes than Ive seen for some time.
I couldn't understand some of the penalty decisions or the Dudson try which was as clear a double movment as I've seen in a long time. It's fair that DP criticizes those but rightly points out that there's things we need to do better. Unlike I've read elsewhere, he certainly wasn't blaming the defeat on the ref.
However we were our own worst enemies for the offsides (in particular).
Do all captains moan at the ref?
Ratch clearly let dubious decisions get to him. Perhaps the captaincy is a poisooned chalice.
Overall we didn't deserve the win, still look a bit clueless in attack, but the score didn't reflect the game for me and overall I thought it was half a step forward.'"
I hope you are right. I'm backing Powell 100%. Warringtons problems have been brewing for years. However for accuracy about Powell :
1) he did blame the Wigan result partially on Riley Dean.
2) he has complained about refs in at least 2 games especially in relation to on field decisions.
3) we look undrilled in attack especially when prop forwards are putting in grubber kicks, this leads people to surmise that whatever we do in training is not making it on to the pitch.
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| Quote ="Wires71"I hope you are right. I'm backing Powell 100%. Warringtons problems have been brewing for years. However for accuracy about Powell :
1) he did blame the Wigan result partially on Riley Dean.
2) he has complained about refs in at least 2 games especially in relation to on field decisions.
3) we look undrilled in attack especially when prop forwards are putting in grubber kicks, this leads people to surmise that whatever we do in training is not making it on to the pitch.'"
Don’t forget Easter too, that was one of his excuses after the Wigan game as well.
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