Absolutely, the dive for the penalty that made it 8-10 was plain embarrassing.

Just before we feel sorry for Saint's just imagine the tirade of taunts we would have received on here if they have won. The best thing they can do is log off, got to bed and dream of what 2017 may bring.

Fuck em, we could go back and find out where we've been screwed against them for years, magic weekend last year, that winning try in the last minute in 05,

Fuck em all.

No you can't, and that's the problem. Every person who isn't visually impaired would watch that and be completely convinced that he had scored. Even though you can not see the ball touch the line, there is nowhere else for the ball to go but on, or over the line. (apart from temporally entering another dimension, then re-appearing 'just a bit short'.)

Unfortunately, the ref didn't give it, and there was no conclusive evidence the other way, so there be it; the ball did temporally enter another dimension, and Saints lost.

I've got to admit, that was worthy of your Avatar

Twice in 2005, 16-4 up and we get done for incorrect PTB on our own 20, 3 quick tries, and the away game, 28-30 up and TJ comes on and gives them a kickable penalty to tie, then Long with his drop-goal.

Looking in on the Saints board and reading some posts on the VT and from visitors on here, what is quite remarkable is how we as a club and a set of supporters have gone from being held in the highest regard after our plucky defeat at Wembley to a total disgrace tonight in some quarters but by no means all (they've saved their vitriol for Thaler and the VR) .......I know which one I prefer but no matter what happens next week I hope that we are a bit more gracious in victory or defeat

Hmm, let me just check if I'm the least bit bothered..................nope, it turns out I'm not bothered at all! How very mysterious

I dont know Why Tony Smith bothers being Gracious anymore...From the BBC:

Tony Smith: "I thought both teams defended really well, we didn't give each other too many opportunities. I thought Saints were fantastic.

Keiron fat lover Cunningham:
"Warrington didn't do anything special, they just did what they always do. I thought we defended a lot of their stuff really well.





"ungracious" should be Cunningham's middle name unfortunately for him it's actually Fat lover.....

They are quite happy to spout the "small club" tirade when it suits them (which they would have been doing if we had lost), and no amount of a**e licking frm the Wigan fans can take away how truly bitter they are about tonight. They've been on the right end of some truly ridiculous calls, it's about time they got shafted.

I think what Cunningham said can be taken as self-deprecating; like saying we didn't do anything special and Saints still weren't up to the task. I was surprised (given his moany, ungracious tendencies) that after the game when Sky were asking all interviewees about reffing decisions, and showing replays and generally not having any decorum whatsoever, Cunningham said when asked "I don't want to detract from Warrington" then moved on with the interview.

Maybe tonight is karma for the fluke 'destiny' run to the title in 2014.. couple of rough calls certainly, but the best team on the night by far won the game.

Would sky be interviewing players about refereeing decisions if Saints had won ? Would they heck .I think we just have to accept that Saints won't be playing Wigan in the final. I wonder how many Saints fans noticed the 2 knock ons that Lomax got away with or the fact that Saints were allowed to be offside at every play the ball ? And what about Amor ? I would love to know what was in his half time orange.....after 15 minutes in the first half the bloke was knackered & when he came back later on he was like 2 year old. Saints ,they can't be wrong & they can't be beat !

I haven't seen the game because I was stuck in work, but if we did indeed get some dodgy calls then St Helens and their fans should just let us have this one. After years and years of stupid calls going against us in the same fixture I think we deserve to come out on the right end of one or two. Whether it be that Bracek penalty for "not regaining his feet" or Roby knocking on from a loose carry and being allowed to get it back and score, or Albert taking out Grose in mid air so fatty R buckle could deny us after the hooter, to name a measly three. It's about time we got something controversial ourselves.

The destruction of such a futile team was to Megatrons liking. Warrington don't yield, they conquer.

I dislike Wigan's team and the way Wigan play more but Saints' fans are by far the worst set of fans for their taunts and jibes and songs aimed at us. I've no problem with that, it's called a rivalry, but we when we give it back in spades when we beat them and they cannot take it. They are the mardiest fans around (obviously this isn't all of them, many will be sound, but they have a huge amount who can't take it). They were calling us a disgrace last night because we sang songs at them!

The problem is that there are 2 sets of rules, one is the RFL rule book and one is common sense. We could all see that Lineham didn't have control when grounding the ball, so common sense = no try. But the roles require pressure from the torso, therefore it was the right decision.

Same with the Peyroux one. Because the RFL requires a guess from the ref, it is the right decision. If that goes up as a try, it would have been awarded. Thaler did what he could, took a guess and followed the rule book.

He got them both as right as he could given the rules he has to apply, the problem is the rules are so ridiculous, his hands are tied.

What no-one seems to be pointing out is that Swift attacked the ball in that tackle, so the very best outcome Saints could have had from that (had the try been disallowed) would be to concede a penalty to Wire right on the line. The attack on the ball could have been construed a professional foul, with ten minutes in the bin for Swift. Yes, these are all 'coulds' and 'mights', but that's exactly what the naysayers are spoting about this and the Peyroux incident.

Amazing on Sky that Eddie led a running inquest into both ( including laughably stating that the 'expert' Cummings - he never made a wrong call when reffing, did he? - declared Peyroux's a try so it must have been one ) coming back to these incidents on numerous occasions, and then 'wondered out loud' why fans were obsessed with video ref decisions!!

Never really took the "Eddie hates Wire" too seriously but last night the bloke was almost distraught about our win!

If sky are in any way influencing results of games by being too close to match officials then the game is corrupt. We know who sky wanted in the final.

cant see owt wrong with it that looks like its grounded with hand and torso.....the Peyroux one not even NASA can provide a photo of the ball anywhere near the try line.........

Hemmings was an absolute disgrace..... to Loudly proclaim that try "was never a try in a month of sundays" was a joke and I'm sure he stands there flicking V's at us when the cameras arent on him....

That's exactly right, the Peyroux attempt - the ball certainly looked like it was heading for the line but there was no image of it on the line. There needs to be definitive proof to overturn the on field. Lineham's looked a bit like he was spilling the ball but he had his hand on it when it touched down. The rules state "Grounding the ball means either holding it and touching it to the ground in-goal, or placing hand, arm or front of body between waist and neck (the front torso) on top of the ball which is on the ground in-goal". This is not to say we would not be up in arms if the situations were reversed, but hey thats sport. We had to cope when the Wigan player had his hand on the touchline and a try was given, Saints will have to suck this up like we did.

He was downright offended at the call that some fans thought it would be a disgrace if Saints and Wigan got to the final...

the FIRST and only rule of being a commentator is to be impartial. the fact he so clearly despises anything we do is so wrong....

The great Ray Warren retires this year and I couldn't tell you which team he has a fondness for and which he hates........... you know what he probably likes them all in equal measures...he has a genuine love FOR THE GAME and it comes through his commentary in club games and Origin.

I find myself wanting to win the final just to irritate this wiggy more than making History for Our Club

I've watched the game back the interviews with the coaches and after match inquest as to why Saints didn't win the game..
Hemmings and Stevenson where a disgrace they genuinely wanted Saints to win... They were very close to saying the officials were corrupt Stevo thinks the VR should be checked for every try ?? Lunacy ..!!
Phil Clarke actually spoke with sense and backed the officials up..

For all the stick Clarke gets, i actually dont mind him. He talks the game up with out being negative and is knowledgeable