Charnley? Charnley is made to look good by the players around him and don't state our challenge cup game as an example 2 weak tackles and a non existent Blythe tackle were the reason for that. We targeted him and that's were our points came from.

I seem to recall him stepping this world class full back who most people on here put in the dream team ahead of Sam

His defence is weak at times yes but he's a better player than them who i listed do you want stats?

Stats? A winger getting lots of tries in a top team shock horror, weak under the high ball and most of the tries against you are on his wing put Josh in a lower side and look how his stats would change instantly.
King didn't even try running round him he ran THROUGH him, imagine Inglis if he saw him in front of him, he wouldn't score purely because he'd be laughing his c*ck off.

Inglis would run over Broughton for that matter he'd run over any of our wingers your point is?

You have probably picked 2 of the worse wingers when it comes to defence in SL, the big aussie and kiwi backs would have a field day against them.

Charnley is ok when running the ball in open space at SL level but if he gets anywhere near an international side then it will be time to call it a day, he's not much different to Peter Fox when he burst onto the international scene, i'd see it going the same way.

we have at the very least 2 better wingers than JC, personally i think we have more than that.
JC is in your side because of the salary cap and the need for a mixture of salaries.

What is it with certain wiganers and wingers??
Did we not have this not so long ago with Ainscough and look what happened to him..

He has kept Goulding out this season (who was the 2nd top try scorer last season) nothing to do with the cap he's playing better and he's getting picked

England should be more like Wigan if you dont peform you dont get picked simple but we dont have that luxury with certain positions do we same old rubbish give the young blood a shot they cant do any worse

Sorry Rob you said locky wasn't good enough for England your opinion has gone down in my eyes

The guy is in for M.O.S this season and gets through a lot of defensive work his work rate is second to none

Easy tiger, i didn't say O'Loughlin wasn't a good SL player. I said in the majority of games at international level he's been poor, certainly nowhere near his level of form for Wigan.

A bit similar to Kevin Sinfield, a very good SL player that has a lot of influence on his side at club level but looks like a fish out of water at international level.

No way is Charnley good enough for England. At least not yet.

It'll be Briscoe + Hall as the wingers, although Briscoe + BJB would be my preference.

1 Sam Tomkins
2 Ryan Hall
3 Chris Bridge
4 Kirk Yeaman
5 Tom Briscoe
6 Gareth Widdop
7 Danny Brough

8 Adrian Morley
9 James Roby
10 James Graham (c)
11 Sam Burgess
12 Gareth Ellis
13 Sean O'Loughlin

14 Luke Robinson
15 Ben Westwood
16 Jamie Peacock
17 Garreth Carvell

Edited for accuracy.

Thank God for that, thought it was just me.

I think he's a talented winger, makes lots of metres ball in hand, very dangerous attacking wise. But also has some defensive failings, however he's still pretty young, and doesn't have an experienced centre inside of him which I still feel contributes to a good deal of his "mistakes".

He has the potential, little while longer yet though. Better than Foster already mind!

Fair enough - not sure he'll be able to iron out his defensive failings to the extent I'd put him up against an Australian winger.

Agree that he's better than Foster. He's average to good, suspect he'll play a lot of games because of his goalkicking alone which is superb.

It's harder to get at Foster though, to highlight his weaknesses. Against Wigan, we just kept coming back at Charnley and he had no answers. When the sides meet again, I think I know where our attack wll focus.

I don't think this will be far away:

1 Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
2 Ryan Atkins (Warrington Wolves, Stanningley)
3 Chris Bridge (Warrington Wolves, Waterhead)
4 Kirk Yeaman (Hull FC, Myton Warriors)
5 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC, Featherstone Lions)
6 Leon Pryce (St Helens, Queensbury)
7 Richie Myler (Warrington Wolves, Halton West Bank)
8 Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves, Eccles)
9 James Roby (St Helens, Blackbrook)
10 James Graham (St Helens, Blackbrook)
11 Jamie Peacock (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
12 Gareth Ellis (Wests)
13 Sean O’Loughlin (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
14 Luke Robinson (Huddersfield Giants, Siddal)
15 Joel Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
16 Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves, Normanton)
17 Garreth Carvell (Warrington Wolves, Stanningley)

Myler really..... his good in our team because we make so many breaks and his a great support player, but he is a weakness in defence at times as we saw with Wigan first try in the Cup, think we need a 7 with more creativity and a good kicking game. at Intenrtaional level.

Brough seems to be the current choice. Lomax has also been called up to the full squad from the Knights.

Sinfield is an all or nothing player, he should be picked if you want him for his goalkicking, positional play and to a lesser extent distribution. If picked he would need to be focal point for the attacking plays, i dont think he has that quality at this level, so he should be left out IMO.

Picking him and Lockers does not work, if your going to start with O'Loughlin, forget Sinfield



Exactly, he hasnt got an ounce of creativity but is the best support player in the league for me. I'd put him on the bench for that reason

Where do people get this "no creativity" lfrom with Myler. The Majority of our attacks are set up by him. How many tries have our left edge scored?

Agree here


But that bit is rubbish. He had a poor game in the QF, Hodgson had a stinker, doesn't make you a poor player overnight. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
Myler has come on leaps and bounds this year especially in organising the attack, taking 2nd receiver more and more. He's still a long way from the finished article but he's a talent no doubt. FWIW I would pick Widdop & Brough as I don't think Myler's quite ready, mainly due to Brough's kicking game is probably the best in the league and something we'd need to try and negate Slater, Yow Yeh & Morris on kick returns.

I'd go.

1) Widdop
2) Briscoe
3) Bridge
4) Atkins
5) BJB
6) Brough
7) Myler
8 ) Moz
9) Roby
10) Graham
11) Ellis
12) Burgess
13) Grix

14)Robinson
15)Wood
16)Westwood
17)Carvell

Breeze through the aussies that.

Is the Grix selection an in-joke on here?