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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"don't do bar mitzvah's Slim...you never get paid enough'"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Ben Harrison twice as many missed tackles
Three times as many penalties conceded
Three times as many errors.
Give me Harrison Hansen any time (don't forget how this started by this)
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Thanks for that insightful analysis of the relative abilities of the two players.
I've jus done a Karl Pyrce v Harrison Hanson thing on that site.
Hanson has missed 5 times as many tackles.
Price has made 11 times more tackle bursts.
So Price is at least five times better than Hanson, and you could argue, if you were an , that he is 11 times better.
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| Quote ="1905"Thanks for that insightful analysis of the relative abilities of the two players.
I've jus done a Karl Pyrce v Harrison Hanson thing on that site.
Hanson has missed 5 times as many tackles.
Price has made 11 times more tackle bursts.
So Price is at least five times better than Hanson, and you could argue, if you were an booty, that he is 11 times better.'"
Well, no. As they play in completely different positions.
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| I rate Hansen, but Harrison is definitely better.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Well, no. As they play in completely different positions.'"
I was just pointing out that quoting a few stats doesn't tell you anything.
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| Quote ="SLIMply the best"arrogance, by eck, the new fragrance from wigan!'"
<pointless contribution mode> This made me properly LOL </pointless contribution mode>
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| Why do all these topics RE Wire and Wigan always end up in dick measuring contests? Little squabbles such as "Hansen is better... no Harrison is better" blah blah blah. Fair enough, i appreciate that this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinion etc but it is getting kind of boring now.
Tomorrow we will see the best 2 teams in the country with a near sell out crowd appreciating 2 quality rugby league teams. I for one will be appreciating both teams on show with some of the best players in the competition on show.
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| I started this thread with high hopes, don't know why.
Although Rogues claiming Hanson is better than Harrison was quite a gem.
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| Quote ="Galloping Ghost"I agree r.e Charnley, his finishing last week and during his spell with the Robins is nothing short of outstanding. Definitely one for the future.'"
Just like Ainscough was last season and look what happened to him
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Ben Harrison twice as many missed tackles
Three times as many penalties conceded
Three times as many errors.
Give me Harrison Hansen any time (don't forget how this started by this)
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Meters made Twice as many as Hansen
Carries Twice as many as Hanson
Offloads Six times more than Hansen
Tackle Busts Ten times more than Hansen
Give me Harrison over Hansen
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| Quote ="Supreme Optimist"I started this thread with high hopes, don't know why.'"
Overly optimistic?
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| Quote ="1905"Overly optimistic?'"
Supremely optimistic, as always.
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| Quote ="TheDoc"Meters made Twice as many as Hansen
Carries Twice as many as Hanson
Offloads Six times more than Hansen
Tackle Busts Ten times more than Hansen
Give me Harrison over Hansen'"
You can't compare the stats though. We've scored 37 tries to Wigan's 23, so we'll win at a cantor wont we?
We are only 5/6 games in, towards the end of the season after both players have 20+ games under their belt then perhaps, but you are still faced with the fact that individual stats will always be skewed in favour of the player in the better team.
Both good players, not great. ask me who has the potential to become great, only one answer.
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| Quote ="Supreme Optimist"Supremely optimistic, as always.
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I'll go for hopeful, when considering tomorrow night.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Ben Harrison twice as many missed tackles
Three times as many penalties conceded
Three times as many errors.
Give me Harrison Hansen any time (don't forget how this started by this)
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STUPID STATS
250% more meters made by BH, made by twice as many carries in only 1 more game? Shows who puts his hand up to do the hard stuff. For getting involved in the game a hell of a lot more, your going to inevitably make more errors and give away penalties! And people say HH is a workhorse? OK then try again...
Quote Stevo - Harrison's a freak!
So yeah Benny any day thanks pal
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| Quote ="TheDoc"Just like Ainscough was last season and look what happened to him'"
Or Penny
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"exactly what i was thinking..hansen not fit to lace bens laces'"
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces. (joke)
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"exactly what i was thinking..hansen not fit to lace bens laces'"
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Why come on here and insult your own player?
The subject of the quote was Hanson. So if you use he as a pronoun, by the way a pronoun is a word that replaces a noun, you can only do so (without explicit reference to) for the sudject of the first clause not the subordinate one.
Allow me to explain, you wrote;
We have heard he has to use velcro because he can't tie his laces
Due to quote you used Hasen replaces he
So substituting the pronoun you used for the proper noun.
We have heard hansen has to use velcro because hansen can't tie his laces
I'm not sure this is what you meant. Try again.
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| The dick measuring was started by the Wigan fans because I dared to suggest that all their players aren't world beaters. They chose to miss the part where I praised the coaching set-up and alot of their players. A few then proceeded to claim players are better than our's at the sames positions. I also listed players at our own club who I would class as average and product of good systems. Yet again, that was ignored. Just shows the ignorance and stupidity that fans display when their team is questioned.
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| Quote ="Galloping Ghost"The dick measuring was started by the Wigan fans because I dared to suggest that all their players aren't world beaters. They chose to miss the part where I praised the coaching set-up and alot of their players. A few then proceeded to claim players are better than our's at the sames positions. I also listed players at our own club who I would class as average and product of good systems. Yet again, that was ignored. Just shows the ignorance and stupidity that fans display when their team is questioned.'"
Not true.
You proclaimed that Wigan had a lot of average players.
Quote ="Galloping Ghost"Great preview. If you look down their squad there are alot of average players, but Maguire has instilled a great discipline and belief in the squad. It seems to be running straight through the club as you see when the youngsters come in they have the same attributes.'"
When challenged you came up with
Quote ="Galloping Ghost"Alot was probably a bit of an exagertation. I'd say Goulding, Carmont, Leuluai, Hansen, Coley and McIlorum are all average. Wigan are succesful by having a great coach and a great set-up throughout the club. Three outstanding world class talents in Richards, O'Loughlin and Tomkins. Saints carried players like Arnold, Jonkers, Edmondsen, West etc for many years. The same is happening at Wigan. I think your core three are better than most others.'"
No mention of average Warrington players at this point, only Saints ones although the Dwayne West is quite tenuous one as he only started eight games for Saints and had 15 subs appearances in three seasons.
Tommy Leuluai is a World Cup winner, a four nations winner and a m.o.m, in last years Grand Final winning team.
At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player (I actually think that he is a good player) it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player, and is certainly NOT average.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Not true.
You proclaimed that Wigan had a lot of average players.
When challenged you came up with
No mention of average Warrington players at this point, only Saints ones although the Dwayne West is quite tenuous one as he only started eight games for Saints and had 15 subs appearances in three seasons.
Tommy Leuluai is a World Cup winner, a four nations winner and a m.o.m, in last years Grand Final winning team.
At no point have I stated that Ben Harrison is an average player (I actually think that he is a good player) it's just that Harrison Hansen IMO is a better all round player, and is certainly NOT average.
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and with that m'lud, I rest my case for the poorer Hansen in this "arguement"
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| Wigans team is greater than the sum of its parts and I feel are more of a star team than a team of stars. Individually the Warrington team is stronger, particularly when all are fit.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Wigans team is greater than the sum of its parts and I feel are more of a star team than a team of stars. Individually the Warrington team is stronger, particularly when all are fit.
We shall see.'"
I'd probably agree with that. I do think however that Warrington are a lot more overly reliant on 2 or 3 players (Briers/Morley/Monaghan) than Wigan, I feel we could cope with key players being out better (see Hudds last week for example, Tomkins/Finch/Fielden etc out.)
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