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| i have zero respect for Celtic since the poppy incident again i'll say why can't people just turn up support and enjoy the game then walk out and have a friendly discussion with the away speccies ?
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"To be honest I can't understand why anyone is genuinely crying about the name Ultras but each to their own. There are many different Ultra groups around Europe and they're not all Mussolini worshipping Lazio fans.
However, "Irregulars" are a group of lads who have followed Liverpool home and away for years. As one of the Wigan lads above claims he also does this I would wager he knew that so it's no coincidence on the name.
The banner logo is a direct copy of this:
[uObviously one or two WRL Ultras are also Celtic. Fair enough, but they're not a very original bunch are they[/u?'"
not compared to football we arent but in rugby terms I would suggest we are.
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| Quote ="21-12"Yeah, we might try and chase 15 year old kids around Warrington town Centre with planks of wood and bottles, or set fire to an innocent bystander and punch women in the face like your lot do next season eh??'"
Mmm...Pot Kettle Black.. Didn't your lot (as you put it) cause trouble at Odsal and Cas last season..? And also ruin a minutes silence at Saints then put an innocent steward in hospital..?
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"To be honest I can't understand why anyone is genuinely crying about the name Ultras but each to their own. There are many different Ultra groups around Europe and they're not all Mussolini worshipping Lazio fans.
However, "Irregulars" are a group of lads who have followed Liverpool home and away for years. As one of the Wigan lads above claims he also does this I would wager he knew that so it's no coincidence on the name.
The banner logo is a direct copy of this:
Obviously one or two WRL Ultras are also Celtic. Fair enough, but they're not a very original bunch are they?'"
So we'll be RL's 'Irregulars'
As for copying, everybody does it. Green Brigade itself is hardly an original name seeing as there are lots of Brigades all over Europe which add the colour of their team and the skull with bar scarf motif was used by other groups long before Celtic (our skull artwork differs to GB's).
Anyway I can name 5 diiferences between our banner & GB's (granted one is the colour!)
You're not wrong that we have been inspired by Liverpool & Celtic (& United & even Accy Stanley!)
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| Quote ="Yed"again i'll say why can't people just turn up support and enjoy the game then walk out and have a friendly discussion with the away speccies ?'"
It's a matter of opinion. I'd wager the WRL Ultras aren't planning on causing mayhem at the HJ next season so I wouldn't worry about them. They're looking for a different way of supporting their team that some of their fellow Wigan supporters will like and join in with and others will distance themselves from. They aren't doing any harm though.
I'm an enthusiast in culture of clubs and politics etc contained within Ultra groups (real ones, not Wigan), as well as traditional terrace culture in this country - casuals, old songs, banners, and the like.
I regard Warrington RLFC as my second favourite sports club (after Liverpool FC) but I don't really feel any attachment to a culture within. From that perspective I feel a far greater association with Celtic than with Warrington, but on the pitch Warrington's results matter to me more than Celtic's do.
Liverpool completely dwarf both in my affections and importance in my life on and off the pitch.
You may not understand this and that's fair enough, each to their own and I'm not trying to justify my position or get into a debate with people I'm never going to meet away from the internet. I'm just stating how I feel.
For some people there is more to supporting a club than going to their games and hoping they win. For others that is it and nothing else matters. Both perfectly valid and up to the individual. There is a far greater terrace culture within football than rugby league though, and I would hazard a guess based on the Liverpool and Celtic rip offs displayed that a lot of the Wigan lads also attend football matches.
Whether this is relevant to RL or not is debateable, but as they appear to be passionate lads supporting their team their way I don't see any reason to slate them.
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"
However, "Irregulars" are a group of lads who have followed Liverpool home and away for years. As one of the Wigan lads above claims he also does this I would wager he knew that so it's no coincidence on the name.
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Ok I hold my hands up, iv been caught out
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| 'Ultras' in rugby league?
Mate iv been to the san siro to see Inter v Cheivo,you really have no idea.
Wigan RL have a hooligan gang I bet CSKA Moscow are sh***ing themselves,run along 21-12!
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| They never said they were a "hooligan gang" did they?
My understanding of the matter (I wasn't old enough to be going then) is that when hooliganism [iwas[/i rife in rugby league throughout the eighties, Warrington were among the most feared.
Just a thought.
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| Yet no sign of 'Casual' banners and the 'Casual' supporters club to raise money DM
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"They never said they were a "hooligan gang" did they .'"
No,they didn't .But calling themselves the ultras, you are been led to believe they are.
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| I invited a load of recently British nationalised ethnic minorities to my British Nationals Party, not one came, can't think why ?
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| Quote ="Yed"I invited a load of recently British nationalised ethnic minorities to my British Nationals Party, not one came, can't think why ?'"
Because you had hotdogs on the menu?
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| Quote ="Bobby Digital"Because you had hotdogs on the menu?'"
Surprised the Koreans didn't come either.
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| Quote ="Bobby Digital"No,they didn't .But calling themselves the ultras, you are been led to believe they are.'"
Only by idiots who want to look for trouble.
I know most of them personally and you couldn't be further from the truth. They are just normal people who want to improve the matchday experience at Wigan by creating flags to celebrate their clubs glorious past and hopefully fantastic future.
Their ages range from early 20's to over 60's
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Some people obviously cannot grasp the reality that ultras are famously associated with violence and hooliganism.....
expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.
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Some people obviously cannot grasp the reality that ultras are famously associated with violence and hooliganism.....
expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.
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Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Some people obviously cannot grasp the reality that[u ultras are famously associated with violence and hooliganism.....[/u
expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.'"
so are all football clubs
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expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.'"
so are all football clubs
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| Quote ="Pieman"so are all football clubs'"
That's not what were saying...... Please pay attention.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Only by idiots who want to look for trouble.
I know most of them personally and you couldn't be further from the truth. They are just normal people who want to improve the matchday experience at Wigan by creating flags to celebrate their clubs glorious past and hopefully fantastic future.
Their ages range from early 20's to over 60's
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I thinking what they are trying to do is a great idea,its just the naming of the group.Is my gripe,why name yourselves after a something which has a element of hooliganism.Not unless the ultras will be out looking for trouble and trying to relive the 80s..
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| Either way it's all a lot better than 10,000 people in matching shirts clapping along to Tom Hark in my opinion, but each to their own.
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| Quote ="Bobby Digital"I thinking what they are trying to do is a great idea,its just the naming of the group.Is my gripe,why name yourselves after a something which has a element of hooliganism.Not unless the ultras will be out looking for trouble and trying to relive the 80s..'"
Maybe they are going to wrap wigan scarfs round their faces and throw flares onto the pitch..... If that's the case congratulations on a great name.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Maybe they are going to wrap wigan scarfs round their faces and throw flares onto the pitch..... If that's the case congratulations on a great name.'"
Or wear location jackets and trackie bottoms with they novelty socks.Trying to look hard,but as soon as square up to them they run a mile.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"throw flares onto the pitch.....'"
Can we throw flares at Wigan fans? That sounds fun!
WIGAN MERDA
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"Either way it's all a lot better than 10,000 people in matching shirts clapping along to Tom Hark in my opinion, but each to their own.'"
Family game
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Quote ="morleys_deckchair"Some people obviously cannot grasp the reality that ultras are famously associated with violence and hooliganism.....
expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.'"
+1
Ultras- associated with violence, racism and hooliganism.As well as football.
Black Panthers- associated with violence, murder and kidnapping. As well as equal rights.
ALF- associated with voilence, terrorism and illegality. As well as animal rights
or even further
Stalinism- associated with terror, famine for the populace, suspicion and violence. As well as communist ideals for equality.
You realize that things have two sides and Ultras obviously has that for a lot of people.
As Moz's deck says "if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed."
If you were called the Wigan liberation front, but instead of burning buildings down and fighting people, you made finger paintings. People would still assume the worst. The name has negative connotations.
Wigan Ultras sounds like a determined hooligan group. Face it.
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expertfootball.com/ultras/index.php
www.football-hooligans.org/
This wigan lot could be a bunch of over 70's that get together and press flowers.... It really doesn't matter.... They have assigned themselves with a tag associated more for violence/hooliganism/racism than for anything else.... And if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed.'"
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Ultras- associated with violence, racism and hooliganism.As well as football.
Black Panthers- associated with violence, murder and kidnapping. As well as equal rights.
ALF- associated with voilence, terrorism and illegality. As well as animal rights
or even further
Stalinism- associated with terror, famine for the populace, suspicion and violence. As well as communist ideals for equality.
You realize that things have two sides and Ultras obviously has that for a lot of people.
As Moz's deck says "if they can't see that they are very stupid indeed."
If you were called the Wigan liberation front, but instead of burning buildings down and fighting people, you made finger paintings. People would still assume the worst. The name has negative connotations.
Wigan Ultras sounds like a determined hooligan group. Face it.
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| Quote ="Dropkick Murphy"Can we throw flares at Wigan fans? That sounds fun!
WIGAN MERDA'"
i dont see why not
can you imagine if there was a wire ultras.... everyone would accuse us of breaching the salary cap.
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