I have agreed with virtually all of your recent posts on Powell and recruitment. However, to be fair we've lost repeated GFs in spite of them not because of them if that's not too daft a proposition

Why? Why can’t paying fans critique the performance, seeing a capable group capitulate infront of our eyes, including conceding 40 points 3 weeks out of 4. Any stats fans know the last time we conceded 40 before Powell?

Why must we wait to see a new group of players come in, then the old “time to gel” excuse just to get to Easter next year before any criticism becomes valid.

We had a group of nearly men, we now have a disjointed group who are 80 minutes off being 11th. The signings in so far and on the horizon don’t inspire progression or change, the don’t appear to allow room for development for youth. We’ve dropped a winger and the kids despite having bad apples and bad attitudes, why not put Cooper on the naughty step if he’s such a poor pro?

But we’re to sit back, stump up our season ticket money and just accept it because he’s only been in the job since October…

DROP HIM THEN!! Why is he starting every week if he’s too busy running a business. Can’t have it both ways!

June 4th 2017

4 - 44 vs Huddersfield

Judge Powell this time NEXT year when he’s got HIS squad. Simples.

Fair points.

Sorry, I should have clarified - of course you can judge and criticise at any time and decide whether to stump up season ticket money. You don't need to sit back and accept it. I think Powell will be given a minimum of another year from now at the very least.

You are quite right. The point I was trying to make was that they were/are not talismanic to success.

Cooper and Hill were and have been our top performers consistently for the longest time so for me booting them out based on not enough time at the club when they carry the team on their backs most of the time doesn't fly for me. You earn your perks. They had.

This group of players have underperformed for 3 different coaches over a period of say 6/7 years. If we don't give Powell chance to reboot this squad, then we'd have to get another coach in, working with these players, with the liklihood of them throwing the 4th coach underneath the bus.

A radical club cultural revolution such as this, and one which is apparently needed, will result in players getting brassed off and underperforming. This bunch have been throwing toys out the pram because they have to finish work on time and won't embrace the changes for the sake of the club - I have no sympathy with them whatsoever.

You're fully entitled not to stump up money to pay for this dross and no one would blame you, but hopefully you and others can see that without pain there's no gain. And it's painful to watch, but I have faith in Powell and will be supporting him, even if some of his players won't.

I agree that they deserve some special treatment, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the club. As leading figures, they need to be setting the example to younger players and the rest of the squad. They should be transcending the sense of importance that success depends on full commitment to the cause. Apparently some leading players weren't willing to oblige, so for me, get shut - the club's success comes first.

And play who? 12 players?

Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper.

Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan?

Quote ="sally cinnamon"Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper. Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan?'" I would have said Wigan. However, these standards are shown to slip now and again. https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/03/rugby-le ... n-7601514/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-48614514 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... on-3270253 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... k-13320476 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Longy-Brawls-S ... 1843581884

Quote ="sally cinnamon"Serious question for all those commenting on Cooper. Which club do you think demands higher standards from its players. Wire or Wigan?'" I would have said Wigan. However, these standards are shown to slip now and again. https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/03/rugby-le ... n-7601514/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-48614514 https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... on-3270253 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... k-13320476 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Longy-Brawls-S ... 1843581884

He retained J Clark, so he must want him, but he’s in and out of the team. He’s let go of Butler, Robson and Doro. Longstaff has played once since Easter. That’s before you start looking at the actual academy lads.

We didn’t have a recognised winger when he dropped Charnley, that didn’t stop him. So what is the reason now?

Wow! I’m no Price fan, but to go 4 years without having 40 points put on his team is a decent feat. Far cry from the porous defence we have seen so far this season.

A few high 30's in there but yeah, we were generally very solid under Price.

But..... for the majority of the time we played boring unattractive rugby.
I really ddint like mist of it.

If being tonked 40 points now means we get it right later on then I'll take it.

DP style is totally different to SP's.
Maybe that's why we're 'work in progress' - and maybe the reason behind some of the player moves.

We also got knocked out at home, in the first round, 3 years in succession, against much lower spending clubs. And we played dreadful attacking rugby resulting in decreasing attendances.

You have to give the manager time like every other manager is given at clubs worth their salt.

What would your solution be out of interest?

Quote ="Gazwire"We also got knocked out at home, in the first round, 3 years in succession, against much lower spending clubs. And we played dreadful attacking rugby resulting in decreasing attendances. '" Price also had a 6 game losing streak in 2019. That was after a year in charge when the players switched off after the CC Final. Very solid? We lost nearly 40% of our games under Price. People have short memories. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... d-trinity/

Quote ="Gazwire"We also got knocked out at home, in the first round, 3 years in succession, against much lower spending clubs. And we played dreadful attacking rugby resulting in decreasing attendances. '" Price also had a 6 game losing streak in 2019. That was after a year in charge when the players switched off after the CC Final. Very solid? We lost nearly 40% of our games under Price. People have short memories. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... d-trinity/

Under Price we were bottlers. We bottled the play offs when favourite and we bottled the first game back after covid infront of the home fans vs Hudds. When we were favourites we couldn't handle it. We did saints in the CC because we weren't fancied.

Powell is alluding to this when we go behind against teams this season, he's constantly mentioning how me can't handle the pressure of chasing the game.

This squad needs an overhaul, if not in skill, in mentality and Powell is seemingly attempting that by switching up the entire engine room (whilst also dropping a winger who has a laugh on the pitch after most losses)

Funnily the panic is the thing that was highlighted most in that video.

He's mentioned it again after the wakey games and other times.

Its got much much worse under him

I'm not sure if it's panic or cba attitude now. He's moving people on, will they be as d? Their mates who are left behind, are they sulking? You can either embrace change or fight against it, but in this situation it feels that if you're in the latter bracket, you'll not go far with this club in the next 2-3 years.

The risk to the club is if Powell is a dud and demotivates the new gang too

He's got an excellent track record or improving players and teams, so hopefully not.

For me, the club have got the right man - only time will tell.

I also have faith in Powell. His biggest problem is that at other clubs he had a bunch of players fighting to make a living and build at least a bit of a reputation to help them get a new contract or a deal elsewhere.

At Warrington, we’ve gone out and offered big contracts to established players who’ve already been there and done it and having nothing to prove. I don’t for one minute think that our top players are intentionally not being ar$ed and taking the pee out of the fans, but psychologically they’re ‘comfortable’. They can coast along at 70% and do just enough, with the occasional moment of brilliance that reminds us of their YouTube highlight reel. Behind the scenes it’s ‘just another job’ for them, and their minds are on enjoying their rugby at the right pace and planning for what comes after rugby, with assurance from our nice club management.

It’s not their fault, it’s the club mindset we’ve created. And it’s time to change it. I suspect we’ll see some short-term desperation signings to bolster the pack (I quite like Vaughan, he’s not that old for a prop and has something to prove), and the backs (apart from Williams) will be classic Powell territory - young fresh players with pace to burn and something to show, even if they’re not current internationals. The cap spread will be more even, and there’ll be less resentment and certainly no arguments about fallen stars getting preferential treatment.

Bring it on please.

This is the scale of the job. Turn people who can get close to a TEAM that can get there. Don’t think that’s going well