Agree with the poster above great support from your fans and you certainly added to the atmosphere.

I'll give you the one about Tom (kardashian) Lineham but we knew what we were getting when we paid the substantial fee for him

I agree with the charge downs also,success rate must be very low

Jack Johnson at fault for the first try will split opinion,looked like a decent chip and the bounce didn't go for him,either way he got on with it and had a solid game holding up players for certain tries and caught all the high bombs,he will continue to develop and learn his trade at this level

The one statement I definitely can't agree with is Evans had a decent game,he was woeful in defence

Do you honestly think the players read the £@/7 we put on here and it effects them either way,wake up pal

Those who can
Play the game!
Those who can't
Write about it!

YES

because professional rugby players dont know how to use google and NEVER look on forums to see what people think of them.

that never happens.

I thought Evans made some pretty good reads in defence, teams will always get stretched though.

Young Johnson looked shy of confidence to me, not going to pan him put he was certainly one of the weaker performers for me.
Possibly to blame for the lack of defensive cohesion too, he didn't look to be doing to much talking...lad if you're in the first team it's because people think you're ready to be, believe in yourself.

Lineham...take the man with the ball, if he passes it out you are not at fault. That first try he stood off, and stood off waiting for the pass that never came and he stepped him inside. Not a hard thing to do as milk turns quicker than him, god he can be lazy at times too. I still think he's currently our weakest signing although you can't fault his finishing normally, he was a little off with that too.

Cox...really warmed to him, great effort today, no idea on his fitness/health levels but he needed more minutes today for me.

Sandow first half was again unplayable, went missing in the 2nd and his kicks just lacked a little at times (not all). But as we play each team they are all getting to know just how good he can be.

Ratchford is a one of two things, a centre or at another club. Nice chip in the 2nd but generally didn't bring anything to that position.

Patton should have been given the role for me, a true 6 not a utility 6.

Effort was generally there, looked jaded near the end and if a few goals had gone over could have won the game so not worried/angry/down, bring on the pies.

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?



Not saying they don't look,I'm saying they don't go running to the missus and say fez said I did really well so I must have played well coz he normally slags me of or morleys deck chair said I was rubbish today so that's it I'm getting my ball and not playing again until he says something nice

They are more likely to have a look in training or on a night out and take the p!55 out of us lot!!!

Because my handle is the same in various places, I've been ignored and even blocked. So I'm sure one or two of them have caught a comment or two.
If i was a player and bored I'd be, "wonder if they had anything to say on how i played Monday"?

Human nature to be curious.

I know for a fact that one ex player looked on this forum after matches and was bothered by certain posts he read.

Yep a very prominent ex player for sure.

I'm guessing it wasn't Roy Asotasi.

Now but his brother had a go at me on Twitter

We will have to agree to disagree on this one

Evans and Lineham were shocking in defence yesterday and apart from an unlucky bounce i am struggling to see what Johnson did wrong in the match and certainly didn't appear to lack self believe or confidence

If your going to start comparing or pulling a player apart then it has to apples for apples,he was behind a tired team yesterday that lacked direction from general Gidley and i thought he coped pretty well,he does lack a bit of urgency and reading the game but that will come with experience

He was probably wondering how shocking the right side were and couldn't believe how lazy Tommy Lineham was on gathering the ball,there were a few more accountable yesterday and unlike a few others on here i would have liked a few more changes to freshen up the side more

So the 'J' in LJ wouldn't be short for Johnson would it? Bit of nepotism or one eyed viewing?

Johnson wasn't brave enough for the Sneyd kick end of, I was trying to be fair given his age or experience but he was 100% at fault for that, nothing to do with it being a good kick, it wasn't, it was a fortuitous kick because he wasn't brave enough.

He got turned a lot, he wasn't pulling guys around from the back which Russell does do.

If you want me to be brutally honest I can do that, I was in semi happy clapper mode.

Not once did he sweep right in defence covering the overlap that I've seen Russell do a lot, he wasn't at the races and his inexperience was on show for all to see.

Not defending Lineham either, the guy needs a tug boat to turn around.

I though Evans did well, you can't attribute the space to him, what's he meant to do, I'd like to see his tackle stats, because I can't remember him doing much wrong.

I watched the highlights on the SL show & my impression was that Jack Johnson may have been distracted by the oncoming Hull player & allowed the bounce of the ball to beat him.As for one of the chargedowns, it looked more to me like the ball had hit our bloke's hand & no effort had been made to play at the ball.

Can I agree with you AND 'Johnson Senior'? I was disappointed with him for their first try, but, he played pretty well after that took some high ball and some big hits to the point where it was obvious that he was being targeted and stood up well IMO.

FC were at our right side and the space behind Lineham all match long, playing on the size of TL's backside and JJ's inexperience....Gidley at 6 would have sorted it out surely, why didn't anyone else? You look at our line and we often have Sandow inside Penny on the left, yet they went out wide the other way constantly, a bit more application was needed, perhaps fresher legs it was a bit of both AGAR OUT!!!

Ahhhh the game is a foot i'm his Dad

Just a difference of opinion,no need to get excited be as honest as you like,he is a good young player that had an average game and i have admitted there was a lack of experience on show but he is definitley not the scapegoat and alot more players were accountable for the performance yesterday

The one factor we also now need to take into account now is that we are at the top to be shot at and we are a big scalp,this will provide extra motivation for teams when they play us

I didn't want to go to town on the lad, I was trying to be constructive without sounding like I expected him to be like Greg Inglis, players make errors, New players when they step up a grade soon learn they get punished if they play like they are still in the u19's.
But he has to take the rough with the smooth on a forum, getting caught in goal too showed a lack of experience, he should have gone to ground sooner, not allowing himself to be dragged back.
Trust me on this, I want him to be world beater as much as you do, he's young , he's learning and he WILL be targeted because he's a rookie. It doesn't matter at the end of the day what I think, or even you, the only people that he has to listen to are the coaching staff.

I know what your saying and that is fair enough,i just see the first try differently but i do agree with everything else, if he has any sense he won't read these forums

We have got a group of young players that have come through together which will hopefully be the nucleus of the team for years to come

Just out of interest what was the verdict on Dec Patton? He also seems to be getting a bit of bad press from a few posters

I thought he should have been at 6 not Ratchford, Ratch is a Jack of all trades, and should have rotated with Clark at hooker, Patton should have been in from the off.

Tbh I didn't think he was involved enough in the game, looked as though he felt like he was a spare part. I know Stef can play any role but unless there is an injury during the game, give him one role and make him stick to it, not fleeting between hooker and halfback, it's confusing our own players just as much as the opposition.

I think Patton might benefit from regular rugby at another club on loan to help his development.

Steph looked lost yesterday,don't like square pegs and all that,needs must sometimes but Patton should have started and as you say Steph rotated at hooker

I thought we defended slightly better on that side when he came on and he can definitly do one thing better than Sandow and that is tackle, some of his attempted tackles actually made me laugh but we can forgive for that (for now anyway)

evans looked like a turnstyle for much of yesterdays game and had a torrid time against yeaman. Add in lineham's defence and it was easy for Hull down your right side. Only disappointing thing is we didn't make more of it

LJ - as you say - we will have to disagree. Looking at the tries scored, Evans was at fault for one where he slipped.
One of the reasons that edge was exposed was that we got our numbers wrong on more than one occasion.

Johnson messed up for the try imo, but credit must also go to Sneyd for the kick. Again - just my opinion.
I thought he was standing too deep and looked a yard or two away from where he should have been.
But he also took a couple of high bombs well and made a couple of telling runs.

Patton messed up with the charge down (I think), but apart he from that didn't seem to do too much wrong (or that stood out as game changingly right) however a 6 needs to be dominant and I don't think we got that. Another young guy who'll improve.

Overall we had chances to win and didn't take them. In the long run this might do the team some good.

But Tom - when you read this - practice some sprinting......

Well I am interested to see the team for Friday as that will throw some light on TS's choice for Hull. But one point worth noting I think is that any player getting thrown in for one match (Patton, Johnson) is going to find it difficult to perform to his best. And it will be even more difficult for the ( less experienced) lads transitioning from the youth system. I would agree about the points made about Patton, he should have been given the jersey and allowed to get on with it. It's not a great vote of confidence otherwise.

Well, we know tony's thoughts on easter, and how he doesn't usually rate the widnes game, however good friday was a big event adn probably took a lot out of the players.

I was surprised that he didn't make more changes for hull, even if rotating some of the forwards, protecting some more players. I know some on here say play strongest team possible on friday and see what happens monday, but when you've got following friday to think about you need to be smarter, and not changing the team around may have contributed to a slight bit of over confidence and we've believed our own hype in terms of, we're gonna steam roller them.

I'm kinda glad we got beat as it takes a pressure off friday, but i do wonder how knackered some players will be now after that. Not sure its the game i'd be wanting to rotate bodies, however i'm a little bit concerned now Tomkins the bigger house is back lining up alongside gelling in attack, and they'll be running at sandow in defence. hopefully currie is up to doing a lot of tackling.

........plus it looks like Joe Westerman will be absent, and he gets through a lot of work.

But the match sequence also stretches further than Wigan. Admittedly they have a week off, but then we have Saints at home. He might not admit it, but I suspect TS will view it as a must win match. Not just for team morale (we are at home after all) but to win the early season mind game against the 'entertainers', and also maintain a decent points gap.