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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I guess injuries have caught up with him. The mind is quick as ever but the body is not what it was so he is still decent but not the player of old.
2 to 3 years ago he was the best player in the league and I still think he's the best Aussie we've signed since I've been a fan (late 1980s). He is the most threatening player to the opposition I've seen in a p & b shirt.
Whilst its been a shame that MM has declined, have to say the form of Micky Higham has been great to see. He has played the best rugby of his career in these last couple of years. In his early days he was just a fast runner from dummy half who was limited in other ways but he has really come on.
On the Monaghan decline, its happened to a few of our other players.
2 to 3 years ago MM was the best hooker / best player in the league, he is not now.
2 to 3 years ago Morley was the best prop in the league, he is not now.
1 to 2 years ago Westwood was the best second rower in the league, he is not now.
1 to 2 years ago Hodgson was the best fullback in the league, he is not now.
For the last 7 years Briers has been the best halfback in the league, jury is out on that now, but if he recovers fitness probably still is.
2 years ago we were the best team in the league, we are not now.'"
Agree with your points. I think that unfortunately for this current team the ship may have already sailed in terms of a GF win.
We will definitely be into a transition period after this season.
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| Quote ="Ulster Wire"Agree with your points. I think that unfortunately for this current team the ship may have already sailed in terms of a GF win.
We will definitely be into a transition period after this season.'"
The best team doesn't always win though. It's a self defeating argument, we didn't win it when we were the best team, so a team that were not the best team must have won it. Therefore, now we're not the best team, the best team may not win it again, and us not being the best team may beat the best team and win it despite not being the best team.
See?
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| Quote ="1905"The best team doesn't always win though. It's a self defeating argument, we didn't win it when we were the best team, so a team that were not the best team must have won it. Therefore, now we're not the best team, the best team may not win it again, and us not being the best team may beat the best team and win it despite not being the best team.
See?'"
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| I agree with Sally.....the word legend will be used to describe this bloke when we are old and grey. But I think he might have a few more BIG games up his sleeve. Hope so! He deserves a GF ring.
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| Hicks, King and Monas have been 3 outstanding signings, will we ever recruit 3 Oz or Kiwi's like this again?
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Hicks, King and Monas have been 3 outstanding signings, will we ever recruit 3 Oz or Kiwi's like this again?'"
I don't think so, not in my lifetime anyway. TS described Monas as "world class", and in his pomp he was absolutely outstanding. I find it depressing to watch him now, because it is a continual reminder of how good he was.
Still, we have Benji to look forward to in 2015.
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| Quote ="Winslade's Offload"I don't think so, not in my lifetime anyway. TS described Monas as "world class", and in his pomp he was absolutely outstanding. I find it depressing to watch him now, because it is a continual reminder of how good he was.
Still, we have Benji to look forward to in 2015.'"
oh dear....for Michael Monaghan 2013 a suitable comparison is Benji Marshall 2013.... at least Monas hasnt been droppped yet.
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| Sign him quick while he's unsettled and under performing, sure he'd tear SL apart.
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| Give him another year so we can keep the song going.
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| Quote ="garyhulsefan"Give him another year so we can keep the song going.'"
Bet the Utd fans were gutted when Cantona left then
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| Sign Daryl Clark to replace, will be England's bench hooker for years to come. Cracking player.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Bet the Utd fans were gutted when Cantona left then'"
Eric leaving hasn't stopped the song(s) Although I was gutted when he left, he was a truly influential player not unlike Monaghan in his pomp, moving us around and putting the opposition on the back foot, but, as they say life goes on and we all trust that a suitable replacement will be found...."the king is dead long live the king".
Well not quite yet, hopefully with at least another CC medal and a GF ring in his suitacse.
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| Quote ="Anozira"Sign Daryl Clark to replace, will be England's bench hooker for years to come. Cracking player.'"
That rumour has been around for a while - good shout!
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Eric leaving hasn't stopped the song(s) '"
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Whoosh'"
Fair enough HY.
in my defence, I didn't know if you were part of the anti wendyball brigade, rather than the tongue in cheek fraternity?
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| I'm 85% Wire(RL) 10% Man Utd(football) 3% Lancashire(cricket) 2% Anyone that plays against England (RU)
Always preferred RL, an infinitely more entertaining sport and it feels more communal than football.
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| Quote ="1905"The best team doesn't always win though. It's a self defeating argument, we didn't win it when we were the best team, so a team that were not the best team must have won it. Therefore, now we're not the best team, the best team may not win it again, and us not being the best team may beat the best team and win it despite not being the best team.
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Yes a fair enough point but its about being the best team when it counts i.e in the play offs. Thus "a team that were not the best team" can win the competition despite not being the best across the season.
I don't think that we will be the best team in the playoffs but will happily eat my words.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"I'm 85% Wire(RL) 10% Man Utd(football) 3% Lancashire(cricket) 2% Anyone that plays against England (RU)
Always preferred RL, an infinitely more entertaining sport and it feels more communal than football.'"
I am 95% Wire, 1% Arsenal & 4% whoever is playing Man U.
I would support any team (except Saints) against Man U.
My dislikes are 70% Saints, 25% Man U, 5% Any team that are playing the P & B.
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| Quote ="Uncle Rico"Eric leaving hasn't stopped the song(s) Although I was gutted when he left, he was a truly influential player not unlike Monaghan in his pomp, moving us around and putting the opposition on the back foot, but, as they say life goes on and we all trust that a suitable replacement will be found...."the king is dead long live the king".
Well not quite yet, hopefully with at least another CC medal and a GF ring in his suitacse.'"
Eric had also shown signs of decline, not massive decline, but in his last season he was not the great player he once was - similar to Monaghan now.
Like Monaghan he would have been able to hold his own in the team for a few more years and would still have retained the adoration of the fans out of respect for his former achievements but Eric was slightly mentally frail I think and he could not deal with not being the best.
United actually got more powerful up front after Eric left, with Sheringham coming in and Yorke. Whilst neither of them would have been the catalyst like Eric was, it was possible to replace the irreplacable. If you are Man United and have high ambitions.
It would have been interesting had the lobby from the fans been "lets replace from our own youth system" if United would have won the Champions League.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Eric had also shown signs of decline, not massive decline, but in his last season he was not the great player he once was - similar to Monaghan now.
Like Monaghan he would have been able to hold his own in the team for a few more years and would still have retained the adoration of the fans out of respect for his former achievements but Eric was slightly mentally frail I think and he could not deal with not being the best.
United actually got more powerful up front after Eric left, with Sheringham coming in and Yorke. Whilst neither of them would have been the catalyst like Eric was, it was possible to replace the irreplacable. If you are Man United and have high ambitions.
It would have been interesting had the lobby from the fans been "lets replace from our own youth system" if United would have won the Champions League.'"
For a split second there I thought my Internet had played up and I was on a Manure fan site. Back to the subject, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael Monaghan...
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| Quote ="Billinge Wires"Looked like he got his confidence back a little today after those two dummies.'"
Two dummies - I must of missed that....
Oh, sorry, you mean McGoldrick and Gleeson.
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| Rolled back the clock today.
Rumours of his demise may be greatly exaggerated.
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| Quote ="mark_m"Rolled back the clock today.
Rumours of his demise may be greatly exaggerated.'"
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