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| You'd be mad to argue that Smith has not been an improvement on Cull, or that Cull had much to do with the Challenge Cup win. And people know how much I love the guy.
However, you'd quite clearly be wrong to interpret his comments as an attack on Warrington fans. It's so obvious he's saying that if you want to boo your own team, then you might as well go and watch their local rivals. He knows it's a big insult to a Widnes fan to tell them to go and support the Wire. He's saying that booing your team is just as disloyal as watching your rivals. He might be wrong in that analysis but it doesn't mean he's slagging us off.
Of course he's probably bitter about the end of his time at Warrington. It was awful. Imagine having been a lifelong Warrington fan and hearing boos ring out around the ground.
However, he's nowhere near as bitter or vindictive as some people on here.
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| Quote ="Geordie"I think you will find that I certainly did not, I walked away from all of that not beleiving what was going on and was not involved at all.'"
Funny that, i can hear it on the dvd, and ive seen the film on mobile phone, you must have a twin.
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| You may hear a drum but I can categorically say that it wasn't me and the simple reason being is that I absolutely loved PC as the Warrington coach and for everything he had done at Warrington. Sure we could all see it was going sour but he didn't deserve that.
On the day in question I was of course stood in my usual place but as soon as that demonstration started i walked away and was actually stood at the front talking to Rugbychick and Foz, in no way was I involved in it.
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| Not sure, maybe someone should email him on Sky ask him to clear that one up ?
PC is a Wire, took us up a level from what we were but he had his limitations and TS as raised them again to another level.
Wire do have a lot of boo boys so even if he was 'having a dig' i personally wouldn't disagree with him.
I don't think he was, in fact i take it as a back handed compliment, my take on it is if you want to watch winning rugby Wire are a short ride down the road.
Even if PC had never been a Wire in any capacity i still think he would have said the same thing. If he'd been the Bradford coach i would go as far to say he would have said the same thing only mentioning Leeds instead.
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| Quote ="Wilderspool memories"Is Paul cullen now biting the hand that fed him for so many years,his "beloved" Warrington? Is he claiming that all us wire fans of whom he once said he was proud are merely "boo boys" who boo regardless? If so he is insulting the club and the fans! Yes Paul,the fans did boo when you were in charge at Warrington. The reason was because everyone could see that a team full if highly talented players was not performing to it's best. The same mistakes were being made week in week out,no solutions to the problems were being found and matches in which we had healthy leads were being lost because the team could not defend and play for 80 minutes. There is a word for that Paul................coaching!!!!!!!!!!! Wake up and smell the coffee Paul Cullen,within 18 months of you leaving Warrington that same bunch of players who could not beat an egg with you in charge had won the challenge cup,the booing had stopped,games that should be won were being won and not thrown away. Now the fans at widnes are "boo boys." Who is the Widnes coach again? I wonder where the problem really lies eh PC?'"
yeh what he said
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| Quote ="Harvey 69"Funny that, i can hear it on the dvd, and ive seen the film on mobile phone, you must have a twin.'"
Funny that, cos i was stood amongst the people who stayed in the stand for a short while after the game. Geordie wasn't amongst them, he was in the apron watching up at us, there was a person with a smaller drum stood within the 'protest' party however i think he explained on here following the game that he wasn't protesting against cull but supporting. Which at the time i thought was a strange comment, or strange thing to do considering what was occuring.
When i got bored i walked down the steps and stood and had a natter with geordie briefly, then i left, at no point was he involved with what was going on, so i reckon you owe him an apology and need to buy a better phone.
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| Quote ="Geordie"Oh how short some of your'e memories are!!
In 2002 Paul Cullen was a god with Warrington Fans, he had done the unthinkable and kept us up after the dark days of Anderson and Plange.
He then went on to take us to the playoffs for the first time on a squad whos combined wages where the 3rd lowest in the league.
He helped lead us to the HJ and assembled a quality side that played some of the best attacking rugby I had ever seen, unfortunatley they couldn't defend as well.
Ok things turned sour, what if Paul Cullen had wanted to implement some of the things that TS has since he came in but the board didnt allow him or wouldnt back him. Paul Cullen wanted shot of M Gleeson but the clubs directors wouldnt let him, smith comes in and it happens within weeks. None of us will ever know if Cullen could have acheived what TS has with the same support and backing.
I read the comments as if you want to boo go to Warrington where their is little to boo at. Remeber the game against Leeds where all the young lads had to play, Warrington Fans certainly didnt boo their efforts at any point.
Cullen didnt take us to the next level,TS has but as Warrington fans we still have an awful lot to thank Paul Cullen for.'"
my god you saved me a whole lot of typing, without cull we would not be in top flight rugby, anyone with any history watching the club would know this.
it pee's me off this anti cull sentiment, plange anderson et al, fair enough!
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| Quote ="Cat #2"Funny that, cos i was stood amongst the people who stayed in the stand for a short while after the game. Geordie wasn't amongst them, he was in the apron watching up at us, there was a person with a smaller drum stood within the 'protest' party however i think he explained on here following the game that he wasn't protesting against cull but supporting. Which at the time i thought was a strange comment, or strange thing to do considering what was occuring.
When i got bored i walked down the steps and stood and had a natter with geordie briefly, then i left, at no point was he involved with what was going on, so i reckon you owe him an apology and need to buy a better phone.'"
i dont mean after the game.
the chanting for cullen out, started after the interception try, and like you said you started to walk down after the game, im on about during the game, i was there and seen it for myself. i reckon you need to think back , cos ive never forgot and never will,
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| Quote ="Geordie"You may hear a drum but I can categorically say that it wasn't me and the simple reason being is that I absolutely loved PC as the Warrington coach and for everything he had done at Warrington. Sure we could all [usee it was going sour [/ubut he didn't deserve that.
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Going sour? It had gone sour a while back. PC should have fallen on his sword way before and done the honourable thing. Instead he stayed until it was clearly untenable and the fans turned on him.
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| Quote ="Wirefan"I read it as; Warrington boo there team when things don't go their way so if that's your attitude, you will be at home there with them.
He's on borrowed time there now i tell thee.'"
That's how I read it too. He is feeling the pressure there clearly, despite a mid table position which you think he would be used to.
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| You know I think the "boo boys" as they are called were actually passionate Warrington fans who had clearly had enough of the dross that was served up on a weekly basis. This culminated in the disgrace that was the home game against Castleford.
For the avoidance of doubt I didn't boo but thought if it would hasten his exit that would make the appointment of a superior coach happen sooner and therefore bring success sooner. I was correct.
To be honest I think a lot of those on here who blindly followed the PC mantra owe a lot to those who saw him for the limited coach he was and is and acted on their belief.
There are a number on here that would have given PC another 6 years to deliver nothing.
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| Cullen in confusing statement shocker.
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| Quote ="Wires71"For the avoidance of doubt I didn't boo but thought if it would hasten his exit that would make the appointment of a superior coach happen sooner and therefore bring success sooner. I was correct.
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I don't consider Lowes a better head coach but you are entitled to your opininion. Tony Smith was not available to be appointed at that time and was appointed as soon as he became available.
Having said that it was obvious by the performance that night that Paul Cullen's position as head coach was unsustainable for even one more training session.
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| It's OK expressing your concern via a sit in but quite another to throw some of the personal garbage at a proud man in front of his family.
Will you do the same to Tony Smith if it goes sour next year, I know it's unlikely but it would be interesting all the same.
By the way did any of the so called fans front up to PC in the street and repeat what they had said or for that matter did the idiots who gave it to Matt King apologise to his face as you were all quite keen to give it to him whilst he was on the pitch and couldn't do anything about it (not that he would as he's one of the nicest human beings i've ever met).
I just think supporters go overboard sometimes when it's tough and forget that the objects of your taunts and abuse are human beings with family's and are trying their best for "your" club.
Most Warrington fans are great people but as with most clubs they do suffer from a minority.
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| Quote ="el red"
Will you do the same to Tony Smith if it goes sour next year, I know it's unlikely but it would be interesting all the same.
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Course they will. It's the modern way. I blame Princess Di. Emoting all the time. If you show you care, you must care. Or you might just be a sheep. Probably with an England flag this week, cheering Andy Murray next week, slagging off Capello the week after....
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| I spoke too a mate earlier and he has the theory that Cullen May be sick of it and in truth wants too get out. He has a good income from sky.
His wife is still not feeling well after her operation in January...
Message for Paul Cullen...
Get out of coaching mate... Go take care of your wife and enjoy the game as a fan and enjoy your sky commitments...
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| Quote ="Wires71"You know I think the "boo boys" as they are called were actually passionate Warrington fans who had clearly had enough of the dross that was served up on a weekly basis. This culminated in the disgrace that was the home game against Castleford.
For the avoidance of doubt I didn't boo but thought if it would hasten his exit that would make the appointment of a superior coach happen sooner and therefore bring success sooner. I was correct.
To be honest I think a lot of those on here who blindly followed the PC mantra owe a lot to those who saw him for the limited coach he was and is and acted on their belief.
There are a number on here that would have given PC another 6 years to deliver nothing.'"
Yeah, some passionate fans boo their team. Can't get my head round it and I find it pretty distasteful.
I followed Cull right to the end, at least publicly on here, but of course he had limitations. Still doesn't mean I didn't want him to succeed.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"I don't consider Lowes a better head coach but you are entitled to your opininion. Tony Smith was not available to be appointed at that time and was appointed as soon as he became available.
Having said that it was obvious by the performance that night that Paul Cullen's position as head coach was unsustainable for even one more training session.'"
I didn't mean Lowes.
Does this mean that PC took a training session after being sacked?
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| Quote ="Wires71"I didn't mean Lowes.
Does this mean that PC took a training session after being sacked?'"
Of course Cullen didn't take a training session after getting the axe. I said that it had become obvious after the match in question that the time for Cullen to go was there and then as he had (and if there was ever a case of an example of what the phrase means this seemed to be it) "lost the changing room".
ps I knew you didn't mean Lowes but he did fill Cullen's shoes as the right man for the job wasn't available at that time.
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| Lowes right man for the job?? NEVER in a Million years
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| Quote ="Wembley2009"Lowes right man for the job?? NEVER in a Million years'"
Read it again he said lowes was filling in has the right man for the job (Tony Smith) wasn't available at the time
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Of course Cullen didn't take a training session after getting the axe. I said that it had become obvious after the match in question that the time for Cullen to go was there and then as he had (and if there was ever a case of an example of what the phrase means this seemed to be it) "lost the changing room".
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I wouldn't have thought it would have been likely, I just didn't know if you knew different. Do you know if PC was sacked, pushed or told to resign before he was sacked?
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| well done pc, another final reached.
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| Only just heard about it and think thats disgraceful!
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