I'll go with my eyes thanks. Big games, does he roll his sleeves up, does he 'eck. Where was he last night, or the semi final.

It's one thing killing Castleford another making your mark last night.

I think that's why we all respect Graham, when it's tough, he gets better, he grows. He comes up with plays at key times, he lifts his side. Sadly, 'Tony P' doesn't.

Check Morley in the final, that's what you want.

which are biased

Last time I looked props are there to make yards, tackles and breaks and Tony P is better at that. The other nice to haves like scoring, assisting, not conceeding penalties he is also better at. You can hide away from the facts if you want thats up to you. Im not bagging Morley in any way he is superb but I am educating you that Tony P is not a crap player. Crap players do not feature high in all of those stats.

so he made 2500 yards against Cas, scored 12 trys, made his assist, his 60 odd tackle busts, all his offloads and made his 500 plus tackles then hasnt done anything else all season? Doesnt sound right, does it. Perhaps his good work ha been spread quite evenly throughout the season with some greag games, some good ones and the odd poor one.

Are you implying Puletua is having a better season than Morley?

I don't think anyone would suggest that with a straight face.

Good player Puletua but the quality is slowly being stripped away from around him and the likes of Graham. If these youngsters they are banging on about are any good, the Saints dynasty could carry on for another 10 years. It not...

No i am implying that if he is a prop and he makes more yards, tackles, yards per carry, offloads while missing less tackles, making more tackle busts then he [ucan not be crap [/uif Morley is not crap. Morley can not be very good / great and Pulutua be crap if he does all those better. It the usual case of opposition fans looking stupid by underrating players from other teams that they would be raving about if they played for us.

correct, and Im not doing that.

I thought the same thing. Would have been straight off in any amateur game.

The touchie couldn't have made it any clearer for Bentham, could he? I suppose he could have said:

'Significant =redsend him off contact =redsend him off with the face. By the way, Phil. You clearly must =redsend him off. Now. Red card. Out of the pocket, in Senior's face. =redSend him off'.

It would have been better for Senior had he carted him, I suspect the imminent ban will be worse as a result.

Underrating him, underrating him. Are you having a laugh. Folk wanted to see him in the SL dream team for goodness sake, pretty much on the back of 4 Tries at Castleford. His stats will be decent as he's in a side that's been largely dominant this year. I'll maintain, big games, arm wrestle, all those silly terms, I've not seen your 'Tony P' step upto the plate like others have, ie, Graham, Morley.

In Cricket, folk talk about averages, but folk normally want to interrogate the stats further. When did he get his runs, were they match winning runs, under pressure runs, or runs when his side was dominant. From what I've seen he looks quality when all is going well, and crap when it's sleeve roll up time, which is generally where the best earn their reputation.

I wouldn't swap any of Cooper, Morley or Carvell for him.

Tony P is a second rower. If you look at the minutes Ali L did for Leeds, that is the ideal for Puletua too. He comes on, does the fancy stuff and goes off when his energy levels are getting low. He's now playing the majority of the games at prop, so obviously the skills have to be put on the back burner.

no, you said he was crap therefore you are under rating him because he is far from it. If you were arguing that he was very good rather than superb, or just good rather than very good your argument would be at least credible. To say he is crap though is moronic and it is that statement that I have argued against.

That Gateaux bird, saints fan will have your knackers for garters for even suggesting that Puletua isn't the best forward in the world.

IMO Puletua is just an average player.

That rumour is complete rubbish and you know it.

best thread name ever

aye, he's an average player with some of the best prop forward stats in the league despite not being a prop forward and only filling in there. In fact, he is like every other Saints player who are also average and only carried by all the world class players around them.

Wow your deluded.

Graham is the clear best prop forward in SL. Make more yards than anybody by a clear distance and is reigning MOS. Of course you wouldn't want him? Give over.

Saints have no world class players, other than the man in purple

Prior to that, I thought Smith was lucky to get away with a \fairly bad high one followed by a punch. Leeds could be booking a Coach to Red Hall on Tuesday.

Some people on here need to get real.

Show me a good loser & I will show you a loser.

Rather have JG display than wire players laughing & joking with opposition after a defeat. ( Although not seen it much since the Gleeson's left )

JG reminded me of Les Boyd 1989 semi final @ maine rd.
Hooter goes, Les takes off shirt, heads for tunnel.
Don't remember many Wires decrying those actions!

Absolute nonsense. Are you saying that the likes of Cunningham are losers?

The tackle by jjb was nasty in context if it happened
to Paul Wood or anyone who has had shoulder surgery
that could finish their career the game's hard enough
as it is.

Ben Westwood got a five game ban early season for
a high shot, but this is a deliberate attempt to injure a
player and wont be anywhere near that length of ban,
sends out the wrong message.

Behave....That Was Boyd's last crack at Wembley, he'd been the best prop on the pitch, wire had been the best side right up till Lydons drop.
he was due to retire as player for ever, just a couple of games later.

even the Laughing policeman would be a bit Pi$$ed off at the final hooter of that game...

James Graham Has now exposed a very real Weakness in his game as any player worth his salt will irritate the scouse get at every opportunity. in fact the RFL should make it a new rule....

No he hasn't. He's just made a fool of himself and I'm sure he knows it. But I wouldn't change him because the same fire and commitment which prompted the hissy fit on Friday night drives him to work as he does for us and in such a great way.

Different topic maybe, but is there a decent referee in Superleague as I seem to have ranted about every last one of them!