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| Quote ="rubber duckie"No. Wigan were pointless while Wire were at 11 men.'"
Wrong,............AGAIN!!
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| Agree with Mr Snoodles ratings. J Clark, like a man possessed.
I don’t normally mention referees but that “charge down” decision was just totally baffling.
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| As a neutral I thought it was a pretty good opening game.
Warrington for me the better side and Hill`s sending off tipped it in Wigans favour.
Charnley trapping the player in the tackle in order to win a penalty is an old Wigan trait he has brought with him.
Powell, Farrell, Gildart and Williams were experts at it.
SOL I think made almost two tackles round the legs as third man in with the rest his usual above the shoulder.
For me MoM was either King or Jason Clark.
Didn`t know Hastings was playing in the first half and Austin was controlling the game until Wigan ruffed him up and he lost concentration.
With regards Currie he is a bit like Stevie Ward for us.
Both had tremendous potential but injuries have ruined their development.
If Ward stays fit he is superb but I do worry for both of them.
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| Quote ="Widnes Al"Im not sure you can put too much down to the 12 men argument. Many a time 12 men come out on top including us at your place a few years ago when we didn’t have a prayer with 13! However to me you look a better side than Wigan in spite of the result and if I was you I’d be encouraged! Where did Jason Clark find his improvement? MOM for me. The ref did you no favours and although I agree with the sending off I think it was unfortunate. Widdop could be the X factor you’re missing in attack! Ratchford ain’t a half back and King is the worst offensive centre in the league! Ashton looks a mega signing and I’d love to see him get an extended run at FB and Ratchford replacing King in the centre. I think you’ll lose again next week but having seen that tonight I think you’ll be well in the mix this year!'"
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| Quote ="sir adrian morley"Too right how the hell is a knock on deemed a charge down then to rub salt in he gives that lot a penalty'"
" Charging Down is blocking the path of the ball with hands, arm or body as it rises from an opponent's kick."
And the penalty was a fair one, it was a ball steal
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| The major cock up after Hill's sending off was the French try. Our whole left side fell for a team dummy which gave French the chance to pick up a lame pass & ghost through a gap that Moses would have been proud off. A bit of hesitation by Luther too & he could have had a try in the second half.
All in all though , the team played on gamefully & considering we were down to 12 men for an hour we can't grumble at the result.
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| Overall very happy with the way the team played, there is a lot that can be taken from that game.
I will start with Chris Hill, personally I think he is a liability but a worthy liability when he is playing properly. He needs to work on his tackling because he has given quite a few penalties away over the last few years with high shots, and last night whilst it was clumsy and the red card was the right choice, and yes the guy was going down to score a try but I mean come on he could have broke the guys neck but I do not believe in the slightest that he intended to injure or hurt the guy.
Hill was probably one of the top 3 last year for high shots, and whilst going forward attacking with the ball he is good, he just needs to take abit more care when tackling and I know it's a fast pace game with split second decisions but when you are going in to tackle someone, you should know to "Avoid the head".
After the red the team played really well and deserved to get something from the match, but it wasn't to be and it can be blamed on a number of reasons but for me it comes down to:
1: Poor kicking, the attacking kicks were just aweful and could easily be predicted, it would be nice if they could kick not just high to the wings but where are the kicks across the ground, where are the kicks to the sticks? The only kick that I thought was a decent attacking kick was the one to set Ashton away running other than that there was nothing.
2: Playing against 14 men, maybe playing against 15 men, I mean how can reaching to the side and behind you be classed as a charge down? then the knock on after being classed as a strip? neither Kendall or the linesman spotted it, multiple high tackles and cheap shots in tackles not picked up on from frankly both teams, strips by both not being spotted but when Warrington did it, it was nearly always spotted, the whole tackle and then get back on to drag them around to stop the play of the ball not penalised, I know it was the first game of the season but come on the officials need to be better than that.
3: Unimaginary attacking, where was the off loading or dummies, quick passes, dummy runners and many other things that could have been done when attacking? Why is it that they didn't really try anything until they were close to the line or the last 10 minutes?
4: Discipline, I know again it's the first game of the season and Kendall was penalising stuff that didn't happen but the players need to be better disciplined otherwise they will just give the game away especially in games where the officials are all to happy to blow the whistle.
Coopers sin bin, I am 70/30 on I think it could have gone either way but I think it went the right way because you just cannot stop someone from running through like that. Honestly let him get through and if he scores you still have 12 men on the pitch so you stand a better chance, but by stopping him you get binned and they score anyway and put the whole team under extra pressure that wasn't needed. Again first game and all so it's not a major disaster and is no where near the season ender that I have heard some people say on facebook and other forums I go on I mean talk right there but play abit smarter.
Other than those issues I think the team played well and could be up there this year if that is how they play the whole season, it is a marked difference from last season and hopefully when Widdop is fit and the team get back in to the groove of playing it should be a good year.
Wigan to me looked like they just didn't know what to do until we lost Hill and Cooper but even then they looked like they were struggling to think of how to attack and I think Warrington were lucky to not have had more points put past them, because I think if Wigan had, had a clue on how to attack then they would have shipped in more points.
Either way I am looking forward to the Saints game and to see how Warrington play, but please for the love of the game think about the attacking side of the game!
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| Quote ="Angelus""Charging Down is blocking the path of the ball with hands, arm or body as it rises from an opponent's kick."
And the penalty was a fair one, it was a ball steal'"
The ball was going sideways past the player. You either don’t understand the law or are being deliberately obtuse. I presume the latter. The ball steal was the correct call, but because of the charge down/knock on they shouldn’t have had the ball in the first place.
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| Quote ="Moe syslak"Wrong,............AGAIN!!
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Yes....I don't actually know why I said that when I came out the ground saying they hadn't scored while we were down to 12.
A senior moment.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"
I saw it once, at the game, and to go past the wigan players hand, it would have had to be rising off the warringtons players foot.
Just giving my opinion on something, no need to be a complete jerk about it.
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| Quote ="Angelus"
Pleny of semi witty jerks...not saying Cookie is.
The tip is to not bite back and leave them thinking they're 1 up and clever.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"
True. Just got my back up a bit. Apologies
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| Quote ="Angelus"
I assumed you were a wind up merchant, we get a few on here, apologies for misinterpreting.
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| Quote ="rubber duckie"
For once you have rendered me speechless.
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| Quote ="ninearches"The major cock up after Hill's sending off was the French try. Our whole left side fell for a team dummy which gave French the chance to pick up a lame pass & ghost through a gap that Moses would have been proud off. '"
I think if you review it, you'll find that Chris Hill playing 'statues' was why Bevan French scored.
(Still on the pitch at that point).
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| I think Cooper can take equal (if not more) blame for that try, he shoots out of the line creating the gap.
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| Quote ="Wires71" Need to cut out stupid ball steals'"
You scored your only try off one to be fair (everyone on here seems to have conveniently missed it). Glad to see Ashton going well, hope you can find a spot for him when Widdop comes in.
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| The charge down was indeed a poor decision but no more so than the clear strip that gave you field position for your only try. The referee was poor. One of the worst performances I've seen in a while but it was most definitely both ways.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"The charge down was indeed a poor decision but no more so than the clear strip that gave you field position for your only try. The referee was poor. One of the worst performances I've seen in a while but it was most definitely both ways.'"
We all know that strip/ lose control is in the eye of the beholder. The charge down was just so obviously a knock on that I can’t understand how a ref can get it thatwrong. My point was that decision was the most baffling not that it was his only mistake!
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| Charge down my ar$£...never ever a charge down. Knock on 100% 7 days a week, 365 days a year. TERRIBLE reffing. 0/10
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| Apparently according to the rules the charge down was the correct decision. As long as the ball is rising you can play at the ball on purpose and it would count as a charge down.
In theory as long as the ball is rising from a kick, you can deliberately punch/push the ball forward and a team mate can run onto it and score. I never knew that, but they clarified that last night.
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| We have an issue with penalties for ball steals. The J Clark one after the chargedown, Philbin was caught with one, as was Gelling. These were the right decisions, but once you have a reputation for having hands on the ball, the 50/50’s (Like when D Clark was given as a knock on) tend to go against you.
Same with Hill. While it was a bad tackle, it was high and is a red card, I wonder if it was Matty Ashton for example who made the tackle, would it be judged slightly more leniently, given Hill’s previous as a grub.
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| Quote ="Captain Hook"We all know that strip/ lose control is in the eye of the beholder. The charge down was just so obviously a knock on that I can’t understand how a ref can get it thatwrong. My point was that decision was the most baffling not that it was his only mistake!'"
I was withholding comment till I'd seen it on TV (I was sat at the other end of the pitch). I've just seen it back, it's a charge down, doesn't matter at all whether he's trying to catch it or charge it down, as long as the ball is rising. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding of the rules going around. Here's some scenarios and outcomes which will hopefully help.
A - Ball kicked into a defender who doesn't play at it (not what happened here) - Tackle count continues if attacking team get the ball back. Defending team can pick it up and play from tackle 1 if they get it.
B - (what happened here) - Ball kicked, defender tries to catch it or charge it down whilst it's still rising - Tackle 1 to whoever picks it up.
C - Ball kicked, defender knocks it forwards when it's coming back down (not what happened here) - Scrum to the attack if the defending team get the ball. Attacking team can pick it up and play from tackle 0 if they get it.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"I was withholding comment till I'd seen it on TV (I was sat at the other end of the pitch). I've just seen it back, it's a charge down, doesn't matter at all whether he's trying to catch it or charge it down, as long as the ball is rising. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding of the rules going around. Here's some scenarios and outcomes which will hopefully help.
A - Ball kicked into a defender who doesn't play at it (not what happened here) - Tackle count continues if attacking team get the ball back. Defending team can pick it up and play from tackle 1 if they get it.
B (what happened here) - Ball kicked, defender tries to catch it or charge it down whilst it's still rising - Tackle 1 to whoever picks it up.
C - Ball kicked, defender knocks it forwards when it's coming back down (not what happened here) - Scrum to the attack if the defending team get the ball. Attacking team can pick it up and play from tackle 0 if they get it.'"
He didn’t try and catch it, he didn’t charge it down, he stuck his hand out to the side and it went forward off his hand, that was a knock on.
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